10-28-2008

holy ****

10-29-2008

dpmg, you have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. You're looking at the hand from a forum-monkey point of view, not an ingame perspective. Thank you for your ridiculous and out of place comment, when I need someone to randomly flame my blog out of context I will pm you.

10-29-2008

it would be interesting to hear why you played the hand the way you did, b/c the preflop call and the flop float do look terrible without more info

10-29-2008

I think that calling a 3bet with a likely dominated hand then floating a cbet with the intention of shoving over a check if you hit a likely 3-outer hand needs no further explanation

10-29-2008

i would like to see the rediculous comment someone posted cuz its not here anymore

10-29-2008

I like to see the comment too...... Curiosity is killing me...

Also thats not running bad at all.... best hand won, best play won....standard cooler (I guess villain could post it in his blog if he would have lost the hand).

Not trying to be an a$$ is just that I'm running really really bad, and would love to be back in the days where this would consider a bad beat in my book.

GL

10-29-2008

that can't be the optimal way to play that hand... whats the rational for floating w/ a gutshot there?

10-30-2008

Alright I'll tell you what I was thinking on this hand. The villain was a 18/16 solid regularish player who hadn't seemed to be getting out of line with the exception of one huge hand where he triple barrel bluffed me with a low FD that missed the river, losing his stack. I knew he was at least a level 2 player who was actively considering what type of hands I could be holding, I had 4bet him twice over 150ish hands and his 3bet percent was 7%. Given our aggressive dynamic and our history, I perceived I would be able to outplay him on later streets, and was basically ignoring my hand, but I will go through each stage.

Pre-Flop: K9s is probably one of the worst hands you could defend a 3bet with, and I realize that, but given the number of 4bets I had used, and my large 3bet percentage, I did not think I could profitably bluff 4bet here, but I also thought that he would perceive my range as wide and be acting accordingly with a number of hands I could be ahead of, and if I am not, I might be able to outmaneuver on given flops (low, wet etc.), So I call with the intention of taking away the pot postflop.

10-30-2008

Flop: When he cbets that size in a B vs. BTN I feel like he has an extremely polarized range, He should expect my hand to be twopair, combos, low pp's, or air, and when he cbets (and he did so fairly quickly), I interpreted his hand as pretty much exactly a set, AQ, or nothing. So I call again with the intention of taking the turn with position and deciding how to act later , this my have been overconfident on my part, but I felt like I could out-do him (could be a case of FPS, but I feel like given everything, i had a solid feel).
Turn: When I hit my three outer I expect to be splitting a stacked pot or winning a small amount, and plan to raise/call his turn cbet, but when he checks I am given interesting information. In this case, now that he has checked we could believe he is slowplaying AK if he cbets that on the flop, is slowing down with a set hoping to get to showdown more cheaply/ hoping I might bluff with air/ his air has run out of steam and I have a green to steal. If I had whiffed the turn and he checked (say a 7 turn) I would have checked behind and bluffed the river if checked to again, but when I hit my gin card I think I have very little room for making a play. I know my opponent reads hands, and I know that the board is 4-straight, he showed significant strength on a fairly dangerous board and he has an aggresive dynamic with me. Given this, I feel like the only chance I have of getting worse to call is to over-shove, and I did so after a short tank but without going into time bank. This follows roughly the same logic as overshoving AA/KK on a low dry flop to represent AK, as the board is makes a small bet so strikingly obvious I've hit that this opponent could only give me one street of value, folding blank rivers. So I over-bet shove and he snap calls and sucks out.

10-30-2008

That's my thought process and I hope you all follow, this is certainly not a standard hand by normal standards and is not a line I would take without significant reason, which I feel I have provided. Feel free to give me comments, though the most helpful comments would be to critique my play on say a 7 turn and a Q/T/9 river which I would overbet bluff if checked to, spew or correct?

10-30-2008

could be a little bit of both if that doesnt sound retarded on my part. I like what your thinking, I just dont think that was the correct flop to float on.

10-30-2008

thats not a good flop to float, his 3bet range sans random garbage hits that board soo hard...

say he is 3betting 7-8% of hands there vs your button open, his range s probably 99+, ATs, KJs+ AJo KQo QJs and some random garbage.

10-30-2008

Someone who is 18/16 at small stakes is not someone you should look to get fancy with, especially with K9s. I really can't imagine a scenario where I would call here pre, even against really crazy guys, without being like 300bb+ deep in position.

I don't think you knew enough to determine he was 3betting very light, 150 hands and 7% combined with 18/16 stats doesn't seem very comforting.

On the flop, I also worry that he will hit this board very frequently - and if he misses, he might not cbet because it's fairly scary.

The turn shove is good as played for the reasons you described. I would not shove as a bluff on the turn, using the same logic - he either has it and is calling, or doesn't and is folding - so why risk a lot on a bluff.

10-30-2008

That being said, I suffer from FPS and do lots of crazy stuff against people that observers may have a hard time understanding. I'm open to non-standard lines, but I don't think this one was good given your description.

10-30-2008

i think playing straight forward abc poker is going to be more profitable in the long run than this.

i mean ok, your thought process is fine, but it seems like you are going out of your way to get into high variance spots just because you and villian are 3 betting and 4 betting each other a lot. and that is by no means any reason to start going about some elaborate multistreet bluffs 200bb deep to see whose penis is larger.

if villian is any good, and you describe him to be 18/16 solid who can read hands. id think his 3 betting range OOP vs your CO open is going to be more weighted towards hands that smash the given board texture, as opposed to random suited connectors that where he'd have to play OOP 200bbs deep.

what are you doing if you turn a heart and he bets again? what are you doing if it bricks and he bets again? ok the turn goes check check on a brick, the river is another brick and he bets. seems to be like this whole hand is based around you wanting to play back at someone, picking a poor spot to do it, getting there on the turn, having villian show up at the top of his range and getting there on the river. really, if im there on the turn, im thrilled he even shows up with a set, since you'd expected villian to be folding almost all two pair combinations, all of his air and hes only calling with either a K for a chop, or a set.

10-30-2008

the fact you have a big history of 3b'ing and 4b'ing and you're 200bb deep with position SHOULD (not saying it does b/c some people aren't good at poker) tighten his 3 betting range even further than normal

10-31-2008

Know that at any given point, no one is running as bad as you during that hand. There are people running much better, and there are people running much worse. You are running somewhere in between. Pokers a non-stop/never ending session. Tough beat but gotta take it fwiw and hopefully it makes you stronger