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boywonder

Dec
30
2009
Interesting comments...
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Hmm, some very good points in the comments to my previous blog entry, and some very, very varied answers from a few thousand hands to basically never.

I might talk a little bit more about this later on, but the reason I started thinking about this during a session a couple of days ago is that I flatted the same player a couple of times from the blinds with the same hand, went to showdown once and then stacked him the third, which is a statistical anomaly in itself, the chances of it occuring astronomical.

I also remembered thinking about this almost a year ago when a player I thought was a HU-reg was chatting and berating another reg about his preflop predictability at a 6-max table and I remember thinking that he doesn't know that these guys aren't paying that much attention to his preflop tendencies as much as his preflop stats and that he´s greatly overrating preflop balance and making substandard plays for balance´s sake in the 6-max atmospehere of those / these days.

Does anybody agree?

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12-30-2009
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If you're saying balancing's overrated, and some people use it to make the most ludicrous justifications for doing things like checking the nuts in position then yes I totally agree.

Just dont tell klink
12-30-2009
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now that you explain it to me... ya, i agree.
12-30-2009
boywonder is offline boywonder
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The interesting extension though, becomes how far can I take not balancing preflop? As for postflop, my experiences concerning myself are that people that lines postflop more personally and that they register more.

An example of something I always used to do:

I raise w q 10 suited from hijack, bb calls and we see a flop of q 9 4. I bet, he c-raises me, I call. The turn is a 3. Let's say he bets, I shove. he shows qj.

My mental notes at least used to have more to do with him cr-ing that flop than flatting preflop - "can cr flops w one pair / med kicker type hands oop." So preflop would often go unnoticed for me unless I got in to really defined positional 3 bet / 4 bet wars.
12-30-2009
K_Man is offline K_Man
I think it's really, really important not to confuse people with the idea of balance which this example seems to be doing. I'm just going to copy Aaron's comment from your last post since it very clearly illustrates it.

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I would also say that saying that you flat AJ 100% of the time in the BB does not mean you're not balanced. It means perhaps your ranges aren't merged, but balancing is a different animal altogether. You can 3-bet X% of hands for value and Y% of hands as bluffs and be perfectly balanced-- it does not mean that you have to 3-bet all hands in between. I am perfectly okay with some of my opponents knowing that I flat AJ in the bb a very high %. Hell, if I did it 100%, and even told everyone in the world I was doing it 100%, I don't think I would be "exploited," so to speak (although it would certainly give my opponents more information on me that I wouldn't want them to have).
12-30-2009
peten2toms is offline peten2toms
I just wanted to say thank you. Thanks for joining Leggo. Also thanks for blogging. It would rule if you started random insightful/educational threads in the members only forum. Also do you plan to coach or just produce videos?
12-31-2009
PlsTilt is offline PlsTilt
Boy, to continue on your extended comment.

My note taking (which is for a large part my long term memory) works nearly the same.
I take notes of preflop only when people do something 'very abnormal' like 3betting small pp's from the blinds, defending J9s type hands OOP v 3bets, limping or flatting big pairs pre.
That's relatively rare compared to postflop spots.

And actually the preflop note is only made when the postflop situation is interesting.
 
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