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Mar
17
2010
Stoxtrader, I / we want answers...
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In the past three hours I have become privy to some information that leads me to belive that Nick Grudzien, aka Stoxtrader, is guilty of multiaccounting and collusion. I was approached by a source shortly after I posted some opinions in the HSNL thread where I voiced the fact that Bryce Paradis deserved credit for taking a stance / risking his reputation in this matter and if wrong that it may be out of naivety rather than malice. I now believe this may be one of the most -EV things Bryce has ever done, and I sincerely hope it is out of foolishness rather than malice.

My source, without a doubt, has been and is very intimately involved in the day-to-day workings of formerly Stoxpoker, now CR/STOX. This is 100% certain.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am much more careful of protecting the innocent rather than condemning the guilty and that I tread cautiously in these matters. I have never spoken out against any one single person in the community, even though many have done so against me. I hope that adds extra weight to my stance.

I was told many things and presented evidence on a lot of matters. There were many, many shady things being brought up, but the following, I am very confident about and considering the evidence presented now take for granted until otherwise proven:

- Nick Grudzien, aka Stoxtrader, has played, multiaccounted and colluded under the nicknames 40putts and gr3atvie3wbro.

- The evidence presented leads me to believe that he has colluded, first and foremost, with the account name Kinetica. That is the only connection I can vouch for as of now, I know there have been other account names mentioned (LittleZen) but that is the extent to which I was presented real information. My source tells me that similar information can be made available regarding LittleZen, but it is not something I have seen with my own eyes so I cannot therefor verify.

- The account Kinetica, belongs more than probably to a person by the name of Robert Papp, also known as Rob. If you know this person or have been in touch with him, please let the community know.

- Nick Grudzien, aka Stoxtrader, also plays on PartyPoker, which as far as I know, is a violation of their terms and conditions as he is American. He does this under the screename AutoCallON. If he colludes on that site it is not something that I am aware of or that was discussed. I would like to know how to proceed contacting Partypoker on this idea, if anybody could help me with this.

There were many other things said on various other people affiliated with Nick Grudzien, many people who have very high profiles in this industry. I choose not to divulge them as I am not as confident about those things as I am about the above, and they may be secondhand information. Even though I cannot be sure, as of now I cannot think of any reason why my source would be untruthful, other than a moral desire to set the record straight. If the things that I was told are even remotely true, this business is more disguisting than I could ever imagine. We are then talking about multimillionaires exploiting tiny edges and ripping people off for what is basically inconsequential money to them. I am thoroughly disguisted today.

The evidence presented to me is so damning, that nothing short of Stoxtrader completely opening everything up for the world to see will convince me otherwise, including the name of his other accounts and justification for switching them. If FT where to deny a connection between those accounts, I will ignore it as it would still seem implausible to me. I never, in my wildest dreams, thought I would be saying this just 3 hours ago. I wish to God that I could reveal my source, and I have to control myself in order to not post a ton of other stuff that while unsubstantiated my source assures me are commonplace with certain individuals related to this issue. I feel that would not be fair on them and I do not partake in slander. For me to accuse someone publicly, I need to have a very, very strong base to stand on.

It is my personal opinion that Mason Malmuth and twoplustwo have been trying their best to see this matter go as much under the radar as possible, although I have no hard evidence of it, and again, it is a personal opinion that I feel entitled to. It was something that my source felt was important to reassure me of. I will do my best to keep this post up in as many places as possible until Stoxtrader has replied, and hope others do the same and keep up the good work.

EDIT: If you are not already, make sure you are following this thread in HSNL, not the one in NVG:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...ussion-733894/

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03-17-2010
Beans is offline Beans
I dont know any of these guys, however the name Kinetica rings a bell!
I dont know if im right, But i can remember that screenname has something to do, or is used by someone who developed a software tool, if i remember correctly that tool was Holdem Ranger!
I once saw an introduction vid, thats why it ring's a bell!

Yet again i dont know for sure!

also if i remember correctly, Kinetica is a Pro shortstacker, and i dunno if the other SN do also?
03-17-2010
sh58 is offline sh58
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mr beans you obviously haven't been following the 2p2 thread
03-17-2010
boywonder is offline boywonder
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Just go to the 2+2 thread and post all opinions etc. there, as loong as they add something to the discussion. If you have a general view, there is a thread in NVG for that. Regardless, just make sure you at least read parts of the HSNL thread before reaching any conclusions. A lot more has been posted in there since what I wrote here.
03-18-2010
davezz5 is offline davezz5
If he has been cheating, then he should get what he deserves! But i can't condemm an American for curcumventing a site's non-usa policy. Good luck to him in that respect.
03-18-2010
boywonder is offline boywonder
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Davezz5, neither can I, that was just to add credibility to the source. By all means, I think anybody should play where they want.
03-18-2010
The_End is offline The_End
I have read quite a few pages in the thread (or rather, skimmed through) but I don't think I really understand what it's all about.

Is it one guy who probably has been multi accounting? Basically the same as with Brian Townsend, or is it something bigger?

I mean, what will change if he admits to it? He quits poker and life goes on? Or are there bigger consequences, like Stox going down or so
03-18-2010
Probability is offline Probability
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I think the question at this point is if Stox was colluding or not.
03-18-2010
Beans is offline Beans
@sh58
Sorry dude obv i dont, i dont like my brain to be poluted by crap writen at 2+2, and i cant see why any his self respecting poker player would read anything at 2+2, but go ahead by al means!

what i wrote just came to mind, too bad if it didnt help any of the poker police!
03-18-2010
boywonder is offline boywonder
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The_End;

It is a matter of systematic, long running collusion really. He just stepped down altogether from Stox, so him abandoning that should indicate that it is not just a case of multiaccounting, and that he knows the damage is beyond repair. As a company I think the hit will be minimal, at least to the CR/Stox combo, but at least some justice has been served and there will be less collusion today than there was yesterday on FT / Stars. I am not sure how many people will sign off on Stox due to this happening.
03-18-2010
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
Updated 03-18-2010 at 06:08 PM by JamesMa
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I had no idea who u were talkin about till u said sn kinetica and 40putts. GOd damn short stackers, scum of the world

If you think about multi accounting though, short stackers are probably the most likely ppl to do it as it benefits them the most.

Regarding collusion, I think it would be more profitable for full stackers
03-18-2010
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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tried to rea dthe 2+2 thread but ther's a lot of non evidence in there as well. I need some cliff notes!
03-18-2010
boywonder is offline boywonder
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JamesMa,

The cliffs are two sources claim collusion and multiaccounting (amongst other things) on behalf of StoxTrader, and out his account names. One of the sources I quote above, the other sent an email to Viffer (the first / orginal source that started this). Stoxtrader admits to the MA:ing and to having played under said account names (40putts). Lots of handhistories and databases are dug up, proving very damningly that there has been some type of connection between 40 putts and kinetica. They play a lot of hands against eachother, never go to showdown, etc to the point of it being a statistical anomaly. Stoxtrader then resigns from his post at Stox, saying he will now step down from the company, but does not admit to the collusion. There is more, but those are some of the key elements regarding Stoxtrader at least.
03-18-2010
Mr Papagiorgio is offline Mr Papagiorgio
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Crap............. I had just used my points on Stars to order his book.......... I wonder if I should read it when it gets here??? (I also ordered the Rizen pearljammer book too...no dirt on those guys I hope)
03-19-2010
toocrispy is offline toocrispy
More cliffs:
The Bryce basically says that he also MA in 2007 at HS HU games under the name KobeMvp24, but that he didnt do it because he couldnt get action on his other account, and that getting action back then didnt matter because everyone was so motherfucking awful that they would never 3 bet you from the BB, and that what would be certain standard plays now HU were absolutely unheard of back then, and if you dont understand this then you are retarded
 
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