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elzino

Sep
18
2008
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i had a 6.5 BI downswing yesterday after being up 4BIs but at least i'm beating the winners tilt that plagued me for so long... i definitely got too passive towards the end but i've gotten in 3500 hands 6tabling the last two days.. here are some big pots i've played and i'm not sure if i played them correctly


i'll try to give you my reads on each guy as well and you can give me your line and what you think whenever you have time:

villain was like 24/13 and folded 33% to cbet and raised 33% to cbets.... i have problems playing deep and am curious about bet sizing for this type of hand... when he flats the 3bet on the flop i really think he has some kind of draw... so should i be making this a PS reraise on the flop so that i can just have a PSB left on the turn. or is the bet sizing ok?

1) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3207980


we talked about this a little last night... this guy is super aggro PF... folds to 3bet about 34% and 4bets 23%... the other 47% he just flats... so the question here is this too light 133bbs and does that mean his 4betting range tightens or is this pretty standard in your eyes...

2) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3207993


player is 24/17 with fold to 3bet around 67%... i think he could be trying to iso the dead money in the pot but i'm sure he at least has some kind of hand... .this is a spot where i just flat a raise utg a lot. i don't want to ck a draw this big behind in position and i know i'm getting it in if he c/r's me. any contrasting thoughts?

3) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208001


here we have a 21/17 player who's 3betting 13% from the sb and then cbetting about 55% in 3bet pots... his range is really wide imo pf... probably 88+, AK through AJs some SC's and maybe some other mixed broadway hands... when he c/c's the flop i feel he has something with SD value as he'd probably c/r a draw. river is a tough spot... 99-JJ is certainly in his range and tbh i probably ck back my entire range on the turn so he can't specifically put me on a FD. i think my call on the river is standard and just a cooler

4) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208011


this guy is a 36/3/4.0 and he really monkeys around postflop... shoving all sorts of hands on the river... i think my mistake is not betting a little more on the turn.... i reallly thought he'd spaz shove a minraise here but i probably should have made it something like 22-24

5) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208034


standard iso of a 43/14 player who has an agg. factor of 1... what do you do on the turn here? do you pitch this hand on the turn or do you think he shows up with a pair and a FD at some point... if the minraise was his stack it's an obvs call but 34ish bbs gets a little touchy. i do think i'd be missing value if i don't bet this turn.

6) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208047


this hand was actually going on while i was playing hand 4 so i lost focus here and didn't realize the pot was multiway on the turn... i wouldn't have bet the turn in this case as almost always one of these guys has a FD based on the PF action... my question is two parts
1st: in this multiway situation and it gets ck'd to the button... button bets, sb calls do you call... obvs it's a fold if the sb raises... and if the sb folds what do you do?
2nd: HU would you bet this turn OOP

7) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208052

player is 27/10 with a fold to cbet of 22%. when he bets this turn what do you think his range is and how would you proceed... would you call turn, call river.... or call turn, fold river?

8) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208068

last hand... player is 22/17 and donk bets 21% of the time... i think his calling range here is PP's, some SC's and some high card combos... when he donks here i think he either has a hand like AQ, maybe top pair and a FD or a set. i don't know if flat calling is good here as my hand almost always looks like a FD if i peel the turn and then bet a spade. i think a raise here does fold out some hands i'm ahead of like QT, QJ and maybe he folds KQ. i know if i raise the turn i have to get it in. what's your line here?

9) http://www.pokerhand.org/?3208075

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11-18-2009
shootaa is offline shootaa
Hand 1: I think you can bet a tad more on the turn just because he'll call if he hits the ace with a floated gutter + ace or the nut flush draw he decided would be bad to get in versus your flop 3 bet or a flush draw and a gutter. He also might jam his draws in attempts to fold out a JJ type hand that you might play this way. If you're giving him close to direct odds / ok implied odds to call the turn, I think in theory this river should be a shove (because him calling the turn is a mistake, assuming you bet enough, and therefore a river value on a diamond shouldn't be getting called by him enough with a bad flush draw that is going to yield him profit and he will have some two pair hands in his range that might look you up. Obviously, it's thin and probably better in theory against some fish idiot than in practice, just some food for thought.

Hand 2: Dude, JJ crushes the shit out of the top 23% of hands. If this is a very small sample size, your read (read: stats) might be a little off. In general though, and especially since he's playing back in a ton of different ways to your preflop aggression, this is ultra standard / good for your range. With these stack sizes, he should be 4 betting you a bit more often as a bluff because it's tougher from a risk vs reward standpoint for him to jam in 130bb vs 100bb to win your 28bb or whatever you want to make it.

Hand 3: Bet/calling here is pretty standard for sure. He might CR the same hand without spades and you could freeroll his face off. You have great equity against everything he can have here besides JJ and you're going to want to continuation bet this board with air some percentage of the time. If you check back the turn and he leads into you, it's a tough spot and your hand might look kind of like an ace high to him, so he can both bluff you a lot and value bet very thin against you. Generally, making people play better against your range is bad for poker.
11-18-2009
shootaa is offline shootaa
Hand 4: Yeah, he might have QQ and just put you on 55 or something, maybe AK / AQ turned into a bluff. 99 is probably discounted given the flop ck / call and TT and JJ are only 12 combos total (if he has either AQ or AK here, it's an easy call). If he can be value betting worse, it's pretty easy to call. I'd probably jam the turn here a lot because you have a ton of equity and might fold out a 98ss type hand.
11-18-2009
shootaa is offline shootaa
Hand 5: The full HH isn't up.

Hand 6: He's repping A2 and probably is tard spazzing with a lot of other hands. Your turn value bet is about as easy as they come. I mean, what could you put him on... AK? AA? 66? 22? not really... so bet. Remember that JJ Jman hand we went over and how easy of a value bet that is? KQ is worlds and worlds easier here, you know how to do the gbux now!

Hand 7: I think you played it well without some crazy reads. There are a lot of hands these guys could jam lightly thinking you're betting way too wide on the flop and maybe continuing to do so when the turn is a pretty scary card. It's a tough spot readless, if you know these guys aren't super sick hand-readers or won't CR anything that is worse than your hand, bet / fold is fine.

Hand 8: I'd give him a range of 5x hands, maybe some weirdly played Ax hands like AQ that thinks you'll pot control anything less than AJ after cbetting the flop (basically thinking your turn calling range is wider than your betting range and that you'll play straight forwardly versus a lead), he could also have some floats he's now bluffing like KQ/KT/QT. Once he bets the river, this is the easiest jam in the world. He could have a worse flush, A5 probably check-raises the flop mostly or tries to get a check-raise in somewhere since his turn line might fold you off a lot of air and JJ/AA reraise preflop and don't play the hand the way he played it almost always. That leaves your hand as the complete nuts and you're just hoping he has 78cc or 56/57s and that he'll snap you off.
11-18-2009
shootaa is offline shootaa
Hand 9: The thing is he could be trying to bet/3-bet a worse draw. He might also have air some percentage of the time and he'll just fold a hand that has some equity against yours now. The alternative is to call and let him barrel turns that hit you and to keep the pot multiway when you have a huge draw. If he's leading often, then a raise is probably best for your range and to clean up some outs (if the other guy has something like A7 and would decide to float if you only called the flop lead). it would be more interesting on T45fd because I think your overs are live a lot more often than here (like you said he has KQ some).

Hope all this helps. Sounds like you use stats as your crutch when they're really only something that should supplement sick reads you're getting on specific guys. So for example, don't say he leads 21.48%, say he lead / folded K74r one time or he lead / 3 bet a combo draw one time. This is more specific and relevant since we're more worried about what he's leading, not how often (obviously how often will explain to some extent what he's leading, but it's not as good of a read as it should be, and this goes for literally every other statistic as well).

See you for lessons tomorrow man. Hope all's well.

Reid

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11-18-2009
coachgp is offline coachgp
Hand 3: Just to add some tidbits, its really unlikely hes ch/c jamming 88 99 TT here on the flop, but he prob will jam his gutters and fds (well I defended a 3b light, and I hit a piece, so i can't really fold... type logic) since he gets to put that last bet in/ has FE in his eyes.Calling AQss is def ++EV
 
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