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12
2011
Flat-Lining
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This is Ed Balls. He's a member of the opposition Labour Party front bench. Every Wednesday at Prime Minister's questions time, he sits opposite and does this flat-lining gesture all the while David Cameron speaks. It really winds him up and is quite funny.

Checking my monthly graph today, I could see this gesture staring back at me. It didn't wind me up though! Checking my zillion leggo and private blogs, to my credit I can't find a single time I've whined about runbad. Every losing or breakeven stretch is an opportunity to improve.

At the risk of coming across all Donald Rumsfield, in poker knowledge there are known knowns, known unknowns, and then unknown unknowns. So correct 3betting strategy VS a 90% folder is a known known. Optimal strategy VS a reg minraising IP a lot is a known unknown. I like known unknowns, I can work on them and turn them into known knowns.

Of late, many more unknown unknowns have become known unknowns. So in English, I'm becoming so much more aware of how little I know about much more stuff!

Take this board:

Flop: ($17.40) 9 4 Q (2 Players)

18% UTG+1 raiser cbets this board. We're on the button. He cbets 65%, but higher on this board, and we believe it to be a semi depolarised range where 9x gets cbet, but QT, JJ and TT might check. What % of his range is:

Sets?
TPTK?
TPTK?
2nd pair?
3rd pair? (I'll group all ~77 type hands here)
OESD?
Overpair?
Air?

I honestly don't know. I can count combos OK in the moment, but counting combos wouldn't answer the above questions without counting all the relevant combos and doing some super fast maths. There just isn't enough time, and I feel like I should be able to give a very good instinctive answer based on work I've done when not playing. I bet Sauce knows, and I know a bot knows.



So by a very rough estimate, here's his cbetting range. 17.6% ......... I'm aware that i've taken the raw stove % and K9s is out but T9s should be in etc, but anyway.

Sets, 1.4
TPTK, 2.4
TPGK, 2.4
2nd pair, 1.2
3rd pair, 1.8
OESD, 0.3
Overpair, 0.9
Air, 7.2

Proportionally:

Sets, 7.95
TPTK, 13.64
TPTK, 13.64
2nd pair, 6.82
3rd pair, 10.23
OESD, 1.7
Overpair, 5.11
Air, 40.91

So for a start, the above is actually new information for me. Did I know that typically on this board VS this range he has air ~ 40% of the time ? No I did not.

So, I might be thinking of a bluff raise. We don't rep a ton, but villain is on 16 tables and is slightly risk averse. Should I bluff raise? Should I keep firing if he flats? I'm going to assume for the sake of this that all nuts flats and he never 3bets.

Will fold to a raise: Air+3rd pair + 2nd pair = 57.96%
Will flat a raise and fold to future action: oesd + half of TPWK = 8.52%
Will flat a raise and call future streets: TPTK+half TPWK + overpair + sets = 33.52%

So obviously very inexact, but already I'm starting to get a better feel of this spot. As I've already said, I think Sauce probably knows this stuff. A bot knows this stuff. Someone like D2TheMFI knows this stuff. I don't know this stuff, I haven't looked at it enough. You probably don't know either.

So in summary, as edges are getting smaller I think the future for me getting better lies in getting this type of technical knowledge seared into my brain. All that crEV stuff that D2 has videos on really interests me. Of late I've been much better at adjusting individually to players ....... getting reads on certain ranges and then inferring weaker and stronger parts of said range based on these reads. To properly act on them though, I need all this stuff.

Yeh, so that's me going forward anyway. Time to get rich!

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12-12-2011
Robin_Ripper is offline Robin_Ripper
You made me feel bad about my studying

Ty
12-12-2011
2lazy2work is offline 2lazy2work
Have you used flopzilla? Haven't tried it myself since I'm incredibly lazy, but you can see how your opponents ranges hits various board textures.
12-12-2011
grogheadflow is offline grogheadflow
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Well the link to StoxEV and Flopzilla is tiltingly seemingly broken. I can't find a download for either anywhere. I'm going off http://www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com.

On another unrelated note, anyone who participates in an NVG witch-hunt regarding trivial things about someone elses life that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, should really go jump off a bridge.
12-12-2011
Sheepy_Mcfollow is offline Sheepy_Mcfollow
Flopzilla is the absolute nizzles, it just does all the work you have (counting combos basically) for you so ucan do this kind of analysis that much quicker. Best $25 you'll ever spend pokerwise imo.
12-12-2011
MC TRON is offline MC TRON
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Cool blog! I like the idea of unknown knowns becoming known knowns, and recently I've started keeping a pen and paper and jotting down general situation stuff while I'm playing. It's been really helpful because after a few sessions you sort of see the things that are a common unknown over a variety of situations, but often it can be cleared up by studying one particular concept... if that makes sense. Anyway, it's been helpful and I don't think I would have stumbled accross these things to look at if I wasn't doing it.
12-12-2011
lingdog1985 is offline lingdog1985
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Hey Dan, if u decide to get cardrunnersev and need some help with it, I m more than happy to help. If u have any questions, hit me up on Skype.
12-12-2011
grogheadflow is offline grogheadflow
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Hey Martin, cool I will do cheers
12-13-2011
iLovePasta is offline iLovePasta
Nice post Dan!

Lot of similar analyses can be found in this book http://www.amazon.com/Analytical-No-.../dp/1880685507

I hope I won't be seen as a spammer, that book covers very well these kind of things.
12-13-2011
robbyd86 is offline robbyd86
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Flopzilla is amazing for solving all that... only problem is i'm too lazy to use it
12-13-2011
guitarizt is offline guitarizt
"Flopzilla is amazing for solving all that... only problem is i'm too lazy to use it"

I like doing the combos out by hand. I find I remember them better and you start seeing the same things if you get used to doing a standard mp/co opening range. It's pretty easy to estimate combos for someone's utg and btn opening range after that.

re: nvg thing. If this is regarding me I'm not out on a witch hunt, but to be fair samoleus has said some things in the past that I and other people were skeptical about. Like even despite all that stuff it's more like it's fun/depressing watching the train wreck that bfp has become now. I mean changing galfond's password? wtf? Also I wanted to just give cliffs on the thread so people didn't have to read the hundreds of useless posts cause I hate having to do that since I really only go on leggo and the zoo anyways. It seems like more "ground breaking" threads are going into nvg lately though.

That being said I will still gladly jump off a bridge once everyone else starts doing it.
12-13-2011
grogheadflow is offline grogheadflow
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^ I wrote that before your blog post. NVG occasionally does a lot of good in the poker world in uncovering genuine scandals in which there are villains and actual victims. The bluefire stuff is interesting in a sort of gossipy way, but there aren't any wider victims per se.

What I find especially distasteful is the witch hunt regarding his soccer career. This has nothing to do with anyone, and so even if he did lie about it, so what ? There's just an atmosphere of outright bullying in the thread, and as someone who's been on the end of an NVG teacup storm (we all wear badges) my opinion of the majority of the posters is beyond contempt.

On another note I've been playing with crEV today and love it. Playing with flopzilla this evening. thanks all
12-13-2011
guitarizt is offline guitarizt
Good point I'm gonna delete my post anyways. Just for the record samoleus is and has been one of my favorite video producers to watch. I hope he leaves bluefire because I can't see myself signing up to that site after how they handled the galfond situation.

Back on topic though, I'm gonna try to figure out pokerazor today. If it's too tough or buggy I'll probably give in and buy cr-ev. There's too many situations I'm finding lately where I want to know what exactly is the break even point in hands instead of just estimating. I know it's not needed at micros and it's a decent % of my roll atm but I love the game and I know I'll learn a ton.