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JamesMa

Aug
26
2010
Bystander Effect
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Havent posted in a while but I've got a story to share.

I met up with my buddy today and he had a couple black eyes and I asked him how about that went down, he tells me that he was on the bus and a couple guys tell him to give up his wallet and belongings. He obviously refuses and the guys tell him to get off on the next stop. Once again he obviously refuses. This leads to a brawl on the bus where its a 2 on 1 fight against him and they get the better of him but he doesnt lose his wallet but did get his shirt ripped during the interaction.

I ask if anyone stepped in to help at all and he tells me that nobody did anything. There were tons of ppl on the bus but nobody wanted to get involved and the bus driver didn't even do anything. The fact that I wasn't even surprised by this kinda made me realize how sad a society that we live in these days. Its so depressing that most people would rather just stay out of the way and let the chips fall where they may so to speak. I mean in a 1 on 1 fight, I can understand not doing anything. In a gang bang of 5 on 1, sure stepping in probably isnt the best idea if you're by yourself. But a 2 on 1, thats like the easiest situation to actually do something.

The reason that nobody stepped in was due to a bystander effect I would imagine. Most people who've read psychology books will be familiar with the term. Basically, the more people who are around to witness something, the greater the chance that they will not get involved directly.

I would always try and help someone out if they were in need and I could help them out without serious risk to my own health regardless of the fact that strangers would never really be willing to step in to save me from a beating or some event of the like. Always makes me a little sad to see people not really give a shit about others in life as there's been numerous incidents in the news. I remember some guy in the papers who tried to help a woman who got robbed, chased the guy down and ended up getting stabbed by the robber. He was on the streets as people walked by and nobody even called the cops or ambulance and he ended up dying in the streets.

What would you guys do if you saw someone getting jumped on a bus? Would you guys step in? Obviously this post is geared towards actually doing something but I wont hate on you guys if you say that you'd rather be safe and stay outta the altercation.

I promise to post some stuff about poker in my next writings.

Peace for now,
-Jma

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08-26-2010
IcarusJam is offline IcarusJam
depends on if they were armed and how big they were to be completely honest
08-26-2010
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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Yeah for sure if people were armed with knives its a completely diff story
08-26-2010
the fox is bak jak is offline the fox is bak jak
i'd prob be bumhunting in this situation,or looking for an even matchup,really depends if the guy who is gettin picked if he looks like he can fight or not,also would depend on my mood at the time,i i was a bit bigger in general i'd def help out.
08-26-2010
the fox is bak jak is offline the fox is bak jak
also def agree with you on society being shit and all.
08-26-2010
Axe_hero is offline Axe_hero
Depends! If i would be in a place where im pretty much alone ( no traffic,pple passing,...) I probably wouldnt risk my own health to help a stranger! (maybe theres history between the guys etc). On the bus Id probably encourage people to help me, but def wouldnt look away!
08-26-2010
CivSTAR is offline CivSTAR
you can't really make any statement at all, because every situation is different. even if you would think about yourself that you would help in that situation, it can always happen that you don't do anything.

I always try to help when those situations happen. I am sometimes surprised about the things that happen, when you really help. Around 2 month ago I was in a disco. I saw a guy who had his girlfriend in the stranglehold and how he was pushing her through the disco to the exit (hope you can visualize that, don't know how to translate the situation correctly^^). She was scared and wanted him to stop and she tried to get people to help her, but nobody did anything. I went to her and told the guy to stop that. We had a little discussion and after a little time the girl told me that everything was fine and that I should stop to tell her boyfriend what he should do, because he only wants the best for her. That was sick. You try to help her and as a thank you get a kick in your ass.
08-26-2010
JohnnyC12 is offline JohnnyC12
civstar you were lucky i seen an incedent one night at a bar same situation as you and i seen a guy try help the girl out and the the couple turned on this guy and started to beat the crap out of him.. i think if its a domestic between a gf and bf stay out of it unless its really going to far..

to many people carry weapons these days when out robbing, is life more important then money or your ipod.. one day we were walking through a city and seen a junkie trying to rob this girls bag we did stop him but there was 4 of us so we could handle the situation pretty easily..
08-26-2010
hobiejuan1 is offline hobiejuan1
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There's a show about this on ABC every Friday night called "What Would You Do" I've seen it a few times and I think only about 10-15% of bystanders usually do anything.
08-26-2010
kamillion is offline kamillion
woulda knocked them both out
08-26-2010
Drewgle is offline Drewgle
Never been in this particular situation, but I'm sure I would try to do something.

Once, when in Vegas with my family, we were on Fremont and this mom - which we think was a prosty - was just manhandling her little boy (not quite punching, but smacking/pulling/grabbing/dragging) and everyone on the street is just watching it happen. I approach the little boy and ask if he's OK, and he says no, so I proceed to pick him up and tell the mother that I'm taking him to the nearest police officer because he doesn't feel safe.

The lady goes bananas - obv - and my mom/stepdad have to literally keep this lady from attacking me. We find the nearest officer, explain the situation, buy the kid a hot dog (he said he hadn't eaten dinner), and go on our way. Everyone on the street was standing around and looking at us like we just took a dump in the middle of the street and pointing and scowling. It's amazing that people thought that I/WE were in the wrong. It was one of the weirdest moments of my life - I felt like I did something good, but was being chastized by society for it
08-26-2010
jaymesbond is offline jaymesbond
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i used to be the person who wouldnt do something in the bus situation...these days i would...no doubt in my mind...if they were unarmed...and if the situation was obv some dude tryin to protect himself
08-26-2010
Probability is offline Probability
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i would get the crowd hyped and get someone else to step up.
08-26-2010
BobboFitos is offline BobboFitos
It's really tough to intervene for specifically the reasons other people mention; if it's a fight, w/ no weapons, I'd love to get involved. But if there are weapons, there is no chance I'm helping out a stranger when the worst outcome is far more likely and more plausible. (Then w/o weapons) Sucks for your buddy
08-26-2010
Branman is offline Branman
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The key is to take enough BJJ/ Krav Maga/ whatever/ to where you salivate at the prospect at the opportunity: Kick the living shit out of two crooks--> morally profit
08-26-2010
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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Cool stories from other members!
Jaymes, why the change of heart?

I would love to see a hype man like matt trying to get ppl to do step in during a fight one day haha
08-26-2010
EyeAmFirReel is offline EyeAmFirReel
Updated 08-27-2010 at 12:25 AM by EyeAmFirReel (Let a nugga know.)
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What are the fucking gun laws like in your hippie utopia's?

Glock 26: $575
Federal HST 147gr 9mm: $50 for box of 40
Galco IWB holster: $60
Concealed Carry Weapon License: $125 for a lifetime license in Indiana.
Practicing at the range once a week: $12 range fee + $25 in ammo/targets
Bernie Goetz'ing some motherfuckers: Priceless.

When you don't wanna give up your MasterCard, there's Glock. Don't leave home w/out it.

I'm not saying it's easy. But it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, as they say.

Two black eyes could have easily been two stab wounds. Fuck that noise.

The aforementioned...


And if nuggas wanna get buck...


Which does this...
Get to the choppa!
and this if you're not fucking around...
Quads bitch!
08-27-2010
Mr Papagiorgio is offline Mr Papagiorgio
Updated 08-27-2010 at 04:24 AM by Mr Papagiorgio
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if no weapons being used I would help, but if my kids/wife are with - I protect them first, and then we get to the front of the bus and make the driver pull over and stop right there and radio for police. Plus these days 70% of people have video recorders on thier person (even most buses), so I would make sure I or some one else got good picture / video of the event and get that to the police.
08-27-2010
Mr Papagiorgio is offline Mr Papagiorgio
Updated 08-27-2010 at 04:24 AM by Mr Papagiorgio
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I worked door at a night-club in college and a lot of the time things like this can happen and be over in under a minute, and people right next to it never even have time to realize what really just happend...

The thing about guns is a) you have to be able to use them in a split second with no fear or hesitation, and b) they are not a lot of good it the other person pulls thier gun first. The 2nd time I had a gun used to rob me, my gun was was less than a foot away from me, and there was not a single thing I could do about it.
08-27-2010
Probability is offline Probability
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tell me thats you in the chopper video please.
08-27-2010
EyeAmFirReel is offline EyeAmFirReel
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Sorry Matt, not my Ahnuld impression.

And Papagiorgio is right. Its imperative you practice to the point it becomes reflex/muscle memory and your able to function through an adrenaline dump, etc. You gotta be aware of your surroundings at all times, part and parcel w/ the responsibility of carrying.

I've pulled/squeezed once. Scariest thing ever, but I imagine being at the mercy of people who have no compunction about committing a violent act on a stranger would be scarier.
08-27-2010
acethiest is offline acethiest
The main factor in the bystander effect is something called diffusion of responsibility. It means that because more people are around you look to them to take charge (assume someone else will help) and also for cues on how to react.

It's actually much more likely that someone will help in this siutation if only 2-3 people are on board the bus because they can't sit back and expect someone else to help.
08-27-2010
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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Guns arent super common in robbings/fights in Canada. Most robbers will use knives. Guns tend to be mainly gang affiliated.... guns are legal but its a lengthy process usually to get one

Using a gun in public is just asking to get arrested here since its quite obviously not allowed. Having a concealed weapon would not be a good charge lol. I would be much more concerned about people having knives on them than packing heat.
08-27-2010
EyeAmFirReel is offline EyeAmFirReel
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Guns arent super common in robbings/fights in Canada. Most robbers will use knives. Guns tend to be mainly gang affiliated.... guns are legal but its a lengthy process usually to get one

Using a gun in public is just asking to get arrested here since its quite obviously not allowed. Having a concealed weapon would not be a good charge lol. I would be much more concerned about people having knives on them than packing heat.
Oh Canada...
08-28-2010
hobiejuan1 is offline hobiejuan1
Updated 08-28-2010 at 06:00 PM by hobiejuan1
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It's funny I was in a bystander type situation yesterday morning. I was riding the train to go the Atlanta airport. Most people were getting off at the airport exit, but there were a bunch of middle school students that were getting off at the exit before the airport for Woodward Academy. One of the students left his bag on the train and left. One person pointed it out and then at least ten people stood there and just looked at it. I'm the only one that jumped up and grabbed the bag and ran after the kid. Of course I had to wait for the next train but it was no big deal. The kid was really happy when I chased him down. I'm sure I would have done it even if I hadn't read this but who knows.
08-28-2010
Patonius2000 is offline Patonius2000
Really interesting discussion, obviously it depends entirely on the situation. I would not risk my own safety for a stranger/try and play vigilante. I think it is pretty boneheaded to chase down a potentially armed robber for example, help the lady/make sure it was reported would be line every time. The thought of leaving a man to bleed to death in the street just makes my head spin and it makes me sad that that actually happened.

And lol at the fucking redneck with his gun pics.
08-28-2010
EyeAmFirReel is offline EyeAmFirReel
Updated 08-28-2010 at 04:43 PM by EyeAmFirReel (Clarification.)
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And lol at the fucking redneck with his gun pics.
I look forward to meeting you in Vegas next yr.

Unarmed.

I don't think I'll live up to your expectations.
 
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