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JamesMa

Oct
21
2011
Some Things...
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So Im going to ramble out some thoughts here as I try to maintain a good habit of updating this thing. Going to be a bit all over without smooth transitions but the writing should still hopefully be quality.

Still waiting on ftp reopening like everybody else but with no news at this point id have to assume that there is difficulties in negotiations between doj and ftp. A lot of people are concerned about the Tapie group offering equity in the company to those who have a ton of money on FTP which I dont think is too warranted given that Tapie is probably looking to "share the risk" on his investment in any way possible. A 2p2 thread that has an employee from ftp talking about ftp most likely not opening for another 3 months at least which kinda sucks. Guess we'll have to keep waiting this one out with fingers crossed.

Came across some sad news as well,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMHMF...ure=grec_index

Same old story of someone getting hurt and nobody giving a damn to help out but only this time it involves a 2 year old. I dont think its an issue singling out china's morality but it is reflective of a lot of places in the world. It is human nature for people to expect others to take care of the situation and to carry on with their own busy lives, termed the bystander effect.... obviously a broke old woman came to help out, often seems like the people who need help the most are often the most willing to give it.

On a lighter note, picked up arkham city and that game is pretty damn sick. Been playing it a ton and beat it pretty fast. Its fun to play as catwoman and robin too, I could easily have pictured this being an amazing multiplayer type of game done in a more traditional beatem up old school style Streets of Rage like game and it'd be just as epic. Goes without saying I think you should buy this game, its a must have.

Been starting to grind out some poker now that Im done with the gaming binge, midstake games are kinda funny these days. I open up PS and I see nutsinho grinding 2/4nl and also playing with 100k in a 200/400nl deep game. But maybe thats how the games have gotten these days that there's just not enough tables running at 5/10nl+ without hopping on super long waitlists. Been seeing chewy, aaron and even a little sauce running amok on the 2/4nl games too so they obviously have never been easier :P

Bum hunting to the extreme seems to have seeped down to the 2/4nl games a bit. I was playing a 2/4nl game built around 1 fish, few mediocre regs and a couple good ones. Fish sat out and everyone insta sat out. I dont even think the table played one hand afterwards. And to top it off nobody left since they were all waiting for the fish to come back, reminiscent of what goes on frequently at 25/50nl but to see it come to that at 2/4 was pretty laughable and sad to see at the same time. Even if you are going to not play when a fish sits out, please at least not make it so obvious that you only want to play because he is so bad... play another orbit or two and it probably increases the chance that he comes back to play instead of watching everyone insta stop the second he goes for a smoke or w/e.

Thats all for now, Im going to grab some food and work on preventing my abs from deteriorating.

Stay frosty,
Jma

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10-21-2011
grogheadflow is online now grogheadflow
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I think if people don't get the bumhunting thing by now they never will
10-22-2011
laghunter is offline laghunter
hahaha I play SH NL50 and open up the tables all the time ... there are only a few regs which help me to open them up ... fish sits in ... table full ... fish is broke they leave
10-22-2011
ultrasPNT is offline ultrasPNT
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Can you do some kind of tutorial about perfect bumhunting?
Question also valid for grog.
10-22-2011
piguanitore is offline piguanitore
That little girl died in the hospital shortly after that. Pretty shocking story, individualism at its worst. Especially since the first guy who ran over her (yes there were 2) said that he did because a dead child would have cost him less money that if he had to pay for everything had she lived.
10-22-2011
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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game selecting is fine, leaving games when you think you dont have an edge is fine but its retarded when its pushed to the extreme. As per a live game example, in vegas everyone kept switching seats to get closer to the fish so it was like musical chairs.

It especially bugs me when ppl sit out when a fish sits out but still occupy that seat since they are waiting on the fish to come back and dont leave... and then it becomes a chain until there's 5 ppl sitting out

Piguantore, thats pretty messed up that he admitted that... I figured it was just cause he was scared and did a hit n run and wasnt so methodically calculating
10-22-2011
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It especially bugs me when ppl sit out when a fish sits out but still occupy that seat since they are waiting on the fish to come back and dont leave... and then it becomes a chain until there's 5 ppl sitting out
I don't know, I don't judge people when it comes to money games, I'm part of the chain but if the fish sits out and I have another 15 tables beside this one and the regs I'm hunting with are... let's say: grog, pobolero, dougiedan and you, the orbits until the fish returns will be very -ev for me with 15 tables behind, I will sit out and disrespect the game, morally is bad I know but ev wise it's the right thing to do, imagine if the -ev orbits would affect(like a domino) my other 15 +ev tables, I can't risk this, I'm sorry.
10-22-2011
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I don't know, I don't judge people when it comes to money games, I'm part of the chain but if the fish sits out and I have another 15 tables beside this one and the regs I'm hunting with are... let's say: grog, pobolero, dougiedan and you, the orbits until the fish returns will be very -ev for me with 15 tables behind, I will sit out and disrespect the game, morally is bad I know but ev wise it's the right thing to do, imagine if the -ev orbits would affect(like a domino) my other 15 +ev tables, I can't risk this, I'm sorry.
that's a joke right? you can't be that weak of a player that a single orbit with some regs is going to kill you. you realize you can just fold every hand if you're that scared. I really hope you're trolling because if not that's just sad.
10-22-2011
grogheadflow is online now grogheadflow
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Well not to support Ultras entirely, but its fine for James to say he'll play other regs when he knows he's better than most. I hope he's helping start games at 5-10 with sauce, nuts, Aaron etc but i do wonder ... :-p
10-22-2011
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but to see it come to that at 2/4 was pretty laughable and sad to see at the same time.
what's the difference between 25/50 and 2/4 that makes it laughable? tilts me when ppl are like "WTF it's just Limit $X/$Y how could people sit out/bumhunt/etc?"

The money is just as important to the person bumhunting 2/4 as it is the guy bumhunting 25/50. Bumhunting behavior should not be any different at 2/4 than it is at 25/50. Stakes are RELATIVE to bankroll, not absolute.
10-22-2011
Bonfire_28 is offline Bonfire_28
Ultras, what about the ev your giving up for the times the fish would have reloaded? Or the ev loss of scaring off fish from the games.The avg fish already thinks the games are rigged as is. It might not be hurting you to stay an orbit, and its certainly better for the games, which is better for you.
10-22-2011
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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LT its laughable not because of the money involved but more so the state of the games, I knew that wouldnt come across properly but didnt want to write out more lines explaining. I understand the importance of money is the same

ultras, Im more along the same thought process as mightyjim. Sure it may be -EV but playing another 5-10 hands will not kill a bankroll...

grog... I def dont start games enuf with top notch players that I cant disagree with at all but point is to not be so focused entirely on +EV and never playing a hand at -EV which kills games for everyone if everyone has that mentality
10-22-2011
ultrasPNT is offline ultrasPNT
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Or the ev loss of scaring off fish from the games
The fish is smarter than you think, he has a mind of his own, he knows we're regs, he knows we're all after him, the games break anyway and restart anyway, I wouldn't sit out if I didn't know I'm right, I would never sitout if I would play less than 10 tables, never ever, vs no one and yes the money matter very much to me.

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Well not to support Ultras entirely, but its fine for James to say he'll play other regs when he knows he's better than most. I hope he's helping start games at 5-10 with sauce, nuts, Aaron etc but i do wonder ... :-p
For now I'm just climbing through stakes, my games are always good, when I'll reach 5-10 I promise you I'll start tables since there's nowhere to go up basically.
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that's a joke right? you can't be that weak of a player that a single orbit with some regs is going to kill you. you realize you can just fold every hand if you're that scared. I really hope you're trolling because if not that's just sad.
I've started grinding poker because of "maximum value", "biggest edge", not for a "maybe", or a "hope" he'll be back, if I would be scared I would play shortstack and I'm not, also if another reg is seeing me as weak because of the extreme bumhunting it's a plus for me.
10-23-2011
grogheadflow is online now grogheadflow
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Ultras just to be clear my point was aimed at James not you.

James,
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grog... I def dont start games enuf with top notch players that I cant disagree with at all but point is to not be so focused entirely on +EV and never playing a hand at -EV which kills games for everyone if everyone has that mentality
then it seems as though we can measure this in a scale starting from (+long term EV for the games, -short term EV for that player) to (-long term EV for the games, +short term EV for that player) ........

and on this scale, you have arbitrarily decided that a single point on the line is good, and anything behind is bad. I'm afraid that your own position on this line is influenced more by factors that suit you (ie, your ability) than you care to realise, and given this you should be less quick to judge others who also take an arbitrary view based on their own ability and maybe sometimes a smidgen of morality.

The eventual solution has to be based on incentives from the sites themselves, no amount of harping on at professionals is going to stop them taking the decisions that maximise EV for themselves in that moment.
10-23-2011
ultrasPNT is offline ultrasPNT
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@grog no worries mate I understand what you mean, I want people to see what someone has in mind when he breaks the tables, you know it's just about the money for me, I don't judge others, don't really care if others judge me, I just want to improve and to win like I wanted in day one.James has a fair point, extreme bumhunting has some bad side effects, for now I can't do anything about that.
10-23-2011
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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I dont ever expect people to change, most people are who they are. Maybe once in a blue moon someone would have a change of heart but its rare. Just like how the kid wont be the last child to be left to die in the streets.

Interesting to see that only Piguantore commented on the kid while everyone else was concerned with maximizing EV talk
10-24-2011
grogheadflow is online now grogheadflow
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Interesting to see that only Piguantore commented on the kid while everyone else was concerned with maximizing EV talk
what are you trying to imply? it's been talked about extensively all over the internet and world, and your blog didn't add anything new on the subject. 'Its bad'. Well, obviously it is, what good is me or anyone else agreeing with you going to do?

I wasn't talking about 'maximising EV', rather your own hypocrisy in bringing it up again.

I'm not picking on you James btw, there just seems like a random concentration of a lot of things that bug me in this post.
10-24-2011
arturboruc is online now arturboruc
great points by grogheadflow.

i think "the line" is when regs insta sit in and out depending if the fish sits out. you have a duty to the rest of the guys at the table to encourage the fish to sit back in and to not be terribly selfish and expect 2 guys to keep the game going HU in the hope that the fish sits back in.

i play 200 and 400nl as my main games but if there is a good spot i will sit upto 2knl, half the time i'm the only one left sitting in when the fish sits out. when it comes down to me vs a reg who is so much better than me that i don't wanna play HU for 5 minutes, i will leave the table instead of sitting out.
10-25-2011
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yeah no probs grog I dont feel picked on
 
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