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jcl87

Aug
31
2009
-$48K in 2 Days…Have I Reached my End-Game?
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Sigh…what not to do after you lose $24K the day before: take a shot at 25/50 HU.

I mean, I actually started today really well and was up about $15K. Although I had that $-24K session last night I actually won $10K in the morning so between the three sessions I was actually even for the two days. So what do I do? Get cocky of course and notice that this really big 25/50 fish is online (down over $200K on PTR). So I sit at a 25/50 HU table and hope that he’ll sit with me. Literally within 10 seconds he sits and I proceed to win half his stack on the very first hand. So now I’m up 17.5K, have a reloading fish all to myself at 25/50, and have an equally good spot at a 25/50 FR table on Stars – what could go wrong?

LOTS!

I couldn’t really be bothered to go into the details, but I lost $30K to him and about $10K on my 25/50 six-max and full ring tables (since I was concentrating on the HU match so much I basically auto-piloted away a couple of stacks from bad c-bets and the like. Overall I finished the session down $24K again. Here’s my graph for August, AKA “how to ruin your best month ever in two days”.



I cashed out $20K four days ago so I’m now again in the precarious position of only having $56K online. Last time I went back to 5/10 to grind it all back up, and it seems that I’ll have to do the same again now. What’s really starting to bug me though is that I haven’t really made that much money this year – at least not nearly as much as I could have. I’ve spent the better part of this year trying to move up permanently to 10/20+ and have basically gone through cycles of winning $20K at 5/10 and then losing it back at 10/20+. I feel like I’ve seriously sold myself short in terms of how much money I could have made this year and so I’m starting to think that maybe the best thing for me isn’t to keep trying to move up but rather just settle down at 5/10 and still make a shitload of dough there.

The thing is though, I’m not that kind of person. I’m very ambitious and want to keep moving up. In fact, I’ve always wondered in bewilderment how some people seem to have no motivation to move up at all. On Stars especially, there are a bunch of grinders who seem to accept 1/2 or 2/4 as their lot in life and simply keep playing there forever. In some ways I’m actually kind of envious of them. They’ve reached their end-game in poker and are probably a lot more relaxed and stress-free in life overall. They know how much they make per hour, they repeat it endlessly, and they use the money to get on with the rest of their life. I don’t think I could ever do that. For me, if I’m not at the top of something, I’ll keep trying my darn best to get there, and if I realise that I simply can’t, I’ll probably find something else to do.

The thing is though, this endeavour is not like the other ones that I’ve pursued in the past. It’s very different in one very important respect: this is real money that I’m losing here, and a hell of a lot of it too. If ever there were a time to let my pride and ambition give way to logic and common sense, then surely this is it.

I’m not going to be playing poker forever. Once I graduate in one and a half years I’ll probably take a year off and travel before starting work full time. This means that I have about two and a half years left in my poker career. Two and a half years is kind of an awkward time-frame. If it were ten years then the clear play I think would be to keep trying to move up. If it were only one year the clear play would be to just grind 5/10. But two and a half years…I’m not really sure. I guess I can see one of three outcomes eventuating:

1) I decide to just grind 5/10 forever and make, say, $400K
2) I go for gold, succeed and make a cool billion
3) I go for gold, fail, and wonder why I didn’t just grind 5/10

I’m terrified of the last outcome…

So yeah, I’m not sure where I’m going to go from here. I’m definitely not going to decide right now since I’m probably not thinking very straight, but I’ll definitely give it a good hard think while I grind this money back at 5/10. Yep, back to the 5/10 tables for me…

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08-31-2009
The_End is offline The_End
Good post. The last few paragraphs are pretty much the exact things that I am thinking myself... Except I don't only want to travel, but also want to play a lot of poker too (if online poker is still good by then) in the year after I graduate and try and build a huge buffer before I start working.

I hope september will be better for you!
08-31-2009
hobiejuan1 is offline hobiejuan1
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I hate to be Captain Obvious, but can't you work and also play poker?
08-31-2009
sh58 is offline sh58
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you are being results orientated. if your shots had gone well, you wouldn't be saying this. you made calculated risks which were big +EV decisions if the players you were playing were as bad as you said they were, and unfortunately you lost money.

what you say, however, strikes true with alot of players, including me. do we want to experienece the swings and heartache associated with high stakes, or just happily crush 5/10 and not worry too much
08-31-2009
jcl87 is offline jcl87
The_End:yeah i intend to play loads in that year too, hence the 2.5 yrs left rather than 1.5 yrs :P

hobiejuan1:i think ull find that most ppl who get to high stakes are a) perfectionists in some way and b) got there by immersing themselves completely in poker. most such people wouldn't want to continue playing once they started work, knowing they're playing a perpetual B game versus up and comers who are improving their game everyday...I don't know for sure but I have a strong feeling I'm going to be like this

sh58: yeah i know ur probably right which is why im going to think about it; the fish was pretty bad i mean there was a waitlist of 8 which at a heads-up table is unheard of since most ppl know they're not going to get a seat since it's always the fish who quits first but people were so desparate to play him that they tried anyway. of course they could've been waiting for me...i actually wondered whether they were while i had 5K v 50K lol...but when the fish left the waiting list filtered through so that was a relief
08-31-2009
klink- is offline klink-
i think you are polarizing your options way too much. why don't you just set x dollar amount shots at 5knl, and force yourself to grind something like 2x at 1k before you go at it again?
08-31-2009
Bonfire_28 is offline Bonfire_28
Was going to say exactly what klink said. Defenately doesn't have to be one or the other, if you put in the hours. Also if it is one or the other for you, i think you are doing something wrong if the losses bother you.
09-01-2009
Beans is offline Beans
GL sir, hope you make what ever you wish for!
Posted 09-01-2009 at 06:28 AM by
I don't think you will play much poker whilst travelling. Otherwise you are doing it wrong. I love your blog btw.
09-01-2009
sh58 is offline sh58
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depends how you travel. alot of the thailand guys like myself set ourselves up somewhere so we do slowmotion travelling, so instead of staying in phuket for 2 weeks, we stay 2 months, but have time to grind - rinse repeat etc
Posted 09-02-2009 at 04:55 AM by
That's not so much travelling as living in another country/city imo. Where are you planning to travel to jcl?
09-03-2009
jcl87 is offline jcl87
for poker i want to go to bahamas and vegas again along with london and monte carlo.

for myself i want to go to tokyo, kyoto, new york, rome, pompeii, maybe egypt (like the classical stuff), greece esp the islands and mediterranean in general, back to paris (did an exchange there), somewhere in regional france to try something diff from hustle n bustle of paris, um yeah that's about it atm
04-28-2011
heAdstroMan is offline heAdstroMan
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good blog sir, good luck at ur new site