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Dec
04
2009
A Clarification
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When I made my last post, there was a bit of a discrepancy over what exactly your poker box is. The reality of the situation is that it doesn't matter what specifically we define the box as, but rather that we understand it's purpose.

In fairness, my own personal view of the poker box was in line with Reid's. The box is this big mansion with lots of secret doors. Various experiences give you the keys to new doors, or provide you with the knowledge that they exist. Everyone's box/mansion is the same size, but some people realize that there house contains more than others'.

The other view might be that our box can expand, but we still cannot think outside the box because once we do that, our box has just expanded . It's fairly abstract but I think the general point was appreciated, which is what I wanted obviously.

I considered listing all the ways in which I thought our poker box might expand or shrink, but, since many of those are intuitive, I'll touch on a couple points that may be useful:

-Our poker box temporarily GROWS (technically returns to full capacity) when we take a short period of time off. This is the case because playing temporarily taxes our minds, which SHRINKS our poker box (1).
-After a certain period of time off from poker, our box temporarily SHRINKS (we become 'rusty') (2).
-Overplaying does not allow our box to fully recover from the last session, which makes it temporarily SHRINK. If you are in a perpetual state of overplaying, consider the effects on your poker box.

(1) Playing actually allows us to experience situations that have the ability to expand our poker box permanently, but most of the time we do not take advantage of it. Whenever we encounter an interesting spot, it usually receives a "hmm, interesting" acknowledgement, and, if it is particularly interesting, gets brought up to friends or posted in a forum. However, we almost never actually conquer the spot; we do not take enough time, playing with ranges, opponent types, various streets before/after, to be fully confident the next time we enter a similar situation. This uncertainty prevents progression, and causes us to become results-oriented. We learn to simply change what we will do next time based on what happened the last couple of times.

(2) Going from personal experience, people usually underestimate the amount of time in which it takes us to shed the rust. When taking a significant time off playing or focusing astutely on a game (NLHE, PLO, whatever), I would attest that it takes 3-5 full days to return to normal. This includes playing with moderate-heavy volume, and reviewing/re-familiarizing yourself with the situations of the game.

One of my central themes seems to be: Play less, review more. In the future, I'll go over what that means -- for now, consider the following:

How many really good HS grinders that you know force themselves to play? The answer is very close to zero; almost every one plays when they want to because they want to. It allows them to both mentally recover from a previous session, and to continue playing their A game. A very high volume 2/4 NLHE grinder recently figured that playing too many hours cost him about $150,000 over his career. He made about $100,000 from rakeback, and lost about $250,000 from being in games when he should not have been playing.



I have a lot of things that jump through my mind that I can talk about, but I want this whole experience to be more feedback oriented. Ramblings tend to be all over the place, so don't be afraid to ask for clarification if needed. Also, I would appreciate if you told me what you thought of this post, and what direction you want this series to go in. As an exercise, post a couple ways that your poker box can shrink or grow that haven't been mentioned yet (by me or my user comments before your's)

Greg

PS. I am going to be creating another monumental 6m 5/10 NLHE multipart sereis soon. PokerStars or Full Tilt?

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12-04-2009
stockton is offline stockton
good post. i definitely can relate to many things, especially the time off thing as it most certainly applies to chess as well; which I study along with poker.

about the "box": you are right in the sense that it is irrelevant what it IS as it is abstract in nature and malleable to the problem at hand. the "box" is just an abstract thinking tool. as long as you define what you are talking about we'll all follow and be able to participate. (which you've done a fine job of doing)

stars gets my vote.
12-04-2009
bromancing is online now bromancing
I've been thinking a lot about the forcing myself to play situation. I've looked at my past results and I have noticeably done better when playing lower volume and just playing when I want to. The problem is I want to turn poker into a job for now and I feel I should be playing more than 15k hands a month if it is my only job. Every time I've gone over that mark it's produced downswings that destroy my month. Any advice on getting through this?
12-04-2009
gazavat is offline gazavat
Poker Stars pls..Full Tilt's deep and ante games change the game too much and are not applicable to most sites different from Full Tilt..
Regarding your series and blog posts, I find them very useful and completely agree with them..Please keep them coming, specific examples are especially useful..Thanks!
12-04-2009
Probability is online now Probability
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followed by a 4 part halo series hopefully.
12-04-2009
garbageman18 is offline garbageman18
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stars obv. followed by what probability said on how we got cheated this week by halo scammers, sick life.
12-04-2009
TheChosenOne is offline TheChosenOne
stars
12-04-2009
garbageman18 is offline garbageman18
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btw pick one and were going!

http://porkysnyc.com/gallery/ W 21st Street
http://www.mcfaddens42.com/ 2nd street right by the Midtown Tunnel
http://www.bigeasynyc.com/ 2nd Avenue
12-04-2009
AltonEllis is offline AltonEllis
Stars
12-04-2009
LouisLouis is offline LouisLouis
fulltilt deep games, since there aren't any (many?) videos of regarding deep play games. Lets learn them!

bromancing :
Not sure what games you play, but here's my take on it and I play for a living at the moment (€3/6-5/10). As I got better at poker technically as well as I developed a tougher mental state of mind, this made me able to play more and more hands. Reason being, when you get better you win more and experience less downswings etc. And if you get better mentally as well it will make easier to be playing alot, since you wont be as frustrated and needing breaks etc. Obviously good tableselection is key here also and would work as a shortcut so to speak when you lack skills and mental toughness (although tableselection is always is smart). So my advice would be to work at your game - technically and metally - and playing more hands will come more natural when you see results if you are hungry for succes. Also don't protect wins, take days/weeks of because of a good run. That's a sure way to never truly experience a really good month (this is part of the mental training). GL.
12-04-2009
ladymuck is offline ladymuck
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Excellent posts so far. My biggest winning months have come when I play when I feel like playing, my worst / breakeven ones come when I play for the sake of putting in volume. Coaching from a good player expands the poker box. FTP 100bb videos, plz.
12-04-2009
tayvon1482 is offline tayvon1482
Really like how you explained the "Poker Box." Also like the other given information. 5/10NL Deep on FTP fo sho
12-04-2009
kamillion is offline kamillion
stars please
12-04-2009
IcarusJam is offline IcarusJam
ssplo video? and stars if u play 6max
12-04-2009
HQuality is offline HQuality
nice post!
p/s stars for sure
12-04-2009
JamesMa is offline JamesMa
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full tilt deep games would be pretty nice
12-04-2009
bromancing is online now bromancing
Thanks louis for the response. I think I will start studying more so I have more confidence in my game which will probably give me drive to play more. I think part of my problem is I feel I don't have as much experience as most people I play against because I only started playing poker November last year and I play small stakes right now with some shots at mid stakes. So I don't play much because I don't have as much experience but how will I ever get the experience?! Dumb mentality I have.
12-04-2009
gobsmacked1 is offline gobsmacked1
full tilt plz

good post!
12-05-2009
cntgetmedown is offline cntgetmedown
Updated 12-05-2009 at 07:39 AM by cntgetmedown
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I like your posts so far, especially the bit about really working on situations outside of playing rather than just browsing over them in your head.
I think the interesting thing about poker is there is so much outside of just playing that has an impact on your results and most people aren't fully aware of it.
The thing I find about not overplaying is that it is true, but it can be difficult at times to compromise between "getting in hands" and not forcing yourself to play. Personally if I'm feeling as though I am forcing myself to play a little bit too much I need to step away from the game a bit and try and tap into my "passion for the game". That may sound kinda corny, but it's that passion and drive that makes playing for me effortless and fun.
12-05-2009
arturboruc is online now arturboruc
"How many really good HS grinders that you know force themselves to play? The answer is very close to zero; almost every one plays when they want to because they want to."

we should all be more like durrrr and be stuck $7mill this year. fact is as much as we'd like to kid ourselves that these hs guys are super heros its basically a sad scene of degen kids exchanging money at ridiculous stakes because they think buying in for $1000 is somehow beneath them. no doubt there better than your average midstake player but there are very few i admire as all round poker players.

if its possible for a 4ptbb winner at midstakes to go on 200k break even streches whilst game selection what is possible for hs regs bashing each other?

just a thought
12-05-2009
arturboruc is online now arturboruc
"there are very few i admire as all round poker players"

by this i mean hs guys who ackownlege and respect the variance in the games they play and dont let there ego control them.
12-05-2009
arturboruc is online now arturboruc
you try to say that playin less will somehow stop massive break even/ downswings i find this to be the complete opposite as when i play more i play better and tilt less. as i know i will hit the "long run" quicker whereas if i just play a few sessions a week i get so tilted as i know that its easily possible to break even for months doin just a few sessions.
12-05-2009
MYNAMEIZGREG is offline MYNAMEIZGREG
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"we should all be more like durrrr and be stuck $7mill this year. fact is as much as we'd like to kid ourselves that these hs guys are super heros its basically a sad scene of degen kids exchanging money at ridiculous stakes because they think buying in for $1000 is somehow beneath them. no doubt there better than your average midstake player but there are very few i admire as all round poker players.
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you try to say that playin less will somehow stop massive break even/ downswings i find this to be the complete opposite as when i play more i play better and tilt less. as i know i will hit the "long run" quicker whereas if i just play a few sessions a week i get so tilted as i know that its easily possible to break even for months doin just a few sessions.
I would ignore nosebleed players in this case. They rarely play when they want to, and almost always play when games are running. Tom is probably the posterboy for playing whenever and wherever there is a game. I'm not saying this is good.

I don't say that everyone who reads this post should play less. I am saying that you should avoid overplaying. If you do not currently overplay, clearly, you don't need to play less.
12-08-2009
Reefypoopoo is offline Reefypoopoo
on Jokerstars plz ... and boooo on MW2 - let's get on that halo grind sir!
12-09-2009
sisyfos is offline sisyfos
Stars 100BB tables, please. Videos on deep and ante games are not that applicable on other sites.
 
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