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Dec
14
2010
Hands! Inevitable Downswing?
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Here are some hands as promised in my last blog. I am on a huge downswing as well. I have been on bigger downswings in terms of buy ins, but this is my first sizable downswing at 100nl, which adds up to a lot more money thant 25nl or 50nl. I knew it would happen after being all self-congratulatory in my last blog and even posting a graph to tempt fate. I am running around 9 BI under EV in my last 3k hands at 100nl, which really sucks, and makes my decision to cash out a few hundred dollars at the beginning of the month pretty questionable. My last session was particularly brutal, although I am telling myself it is more coolers than anything else. All the same, I don't think I can fool myself into thinking that a big downswing after a big upswing is totally variance related, and I with that in mind, I am posting a couple of questionable hands along with some hands where I think I could easily have saved myself some money.

Fwiw, the story seems to have gone like this: Win a lot of money playing solid TAG and running decently; play looser resulting in more higher variance spots; lose some money due to variance; lose some money due to tilt.

Hand 1

UTG raiser is 44/28 and opening 44% from MP. He seems like a huge laggy donk running extremely hot. I have seen him get it in very lightly on the flop and turn. SB is a 19/14 TAG capable of being very aggressive.

SB ($139)
BB ($100)
UTG ($94.50)
UTG+1 ($390)
CO ($100)
Hero ($131)

Dealt to Hero 2 A

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, fold, Hero calls $3, SB calls $2.50, fold

FLOP ($10) 3 6 T

SB checks, UTG+1 bets $10, Hero raises to $31, SB raises to $113, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $128 (AI), SB calls $15.95

I am happy to get it in here on the flop vs. the UTG raiser since I think he stacks off with top pair, any overpair, or a worse flush draw, and sets of course. I am 42% against that range, and I would like to push the SB out with a raise. When SB raises, he seems pretty FOS to me, and I know from previous play that he is capable of bluffing here. I think he just flats with a set, so he has either a worse draw or a top pair strong kicker hand looking to get it in with villain. I think I am doing really well here, and there is so much money in the pot at this point that I can't possibly fold.

TURN ($277) 3 6 T 3

RIVER ($277) 3 6 T 3 6

Hero shows 2 A
(Pre 31%, Flop 37.2%, Turn 18.2%)

SB shows A T
(Pre 69%, Flop 62.8%, Turn 81.8%)

SB wins $274

Hand 2

This hand is at the end of my big losing session, and it just illustrates how I get sloppy in my thinking when I am tilting. Villain is 20/13 AF 4.

SB ($100)
BB ($134)
UTG ($206)
UTG+1 ($62.05)
CO ($139)
Hero ($108)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

UTG raises to $3, fold, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, fold, fold

FLOP ($10.50) 7 7 3

UTG bets $6, CO calls $6, Hero calls $6

TURN ($28.50) 7 7 3 7

UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $16.50, UTG folds, CO raises to $130 (AI), Hero calls $82.95 (AI)

I think I have the best hand here most of the time until CO shoves. Such a huge overbet means, imo, that he is at the very top of his calling range preflop (TT+) or has a 7. I don't think he plays a smaller pp like this very often as he seems to be a thinking player and would realize he only gets called by better. For my part, I was just enamored with my FH and called. I think I should be betting bigger on the turn, at any rate to set up an easier river shove that can be called by a smaller pp.

RIVER ($227) 7 7 3 7 8

Hero shows 9 9
(Pre 19%, Flop 8.4%, Turn 4.5%)

CO shows J J
(Pre 81%, Flop 91.6%, Turn 95.5%)

CO wins $223


Hand 3

Kind of a cooler, but it illustrates a problem I am having along with the next hand. This player fired 100% of flops and turns, and fired big, just pot pot potting away. 34/13 AF 2 over 66 hands. He started off playing much looser, and perhaps that colored my perception of him in a way. I am super comfortable with preflop and flop. On the turn when he bets half pot, perhaps I should be worried, but I pretty much made up my mind on the flop that I had to just call him down. I stopped calling IP with SC and more prospective hands because of his betting patterns, because he would make it very expensive for me if I flopped some kind of draw. I always feel like I am guessing on the river.

SB ($100)
BB ($96.10)
UTG ($101)
UTG+1 ($262)
Hero ($105)
BTN ($97)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, fold, fold

FLOP ($12) A T 3

UTG+1 bets $14, Hero calls $14, BTN folds

TURN ($40) A T 3 T

UTG+1 bets $20, Hero calls $20

RIVER ($80) A T 3 T 3

UTG+1 bets $80, Hero calls $67.50 (AI)

UTG+1 shows A Q
(Pre 74%, Flop 81.7%, Turn 85.2%)

Hero shows A J
(Pre 26%, Flop 18.3%, Turn 14.8%)

UTG+1 wins $211

Hand 4

Here is also a case where Villain fires 100% of flops and turns, this time over 125 hands. He is 24/12 and he opens 17% utg.


SB ($110)
BB ($26.75)
UTG ($197)
UTG+1 ($110)
CO ($399)
Hero ($100)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG raises to $4, fold, fold, Hero calls $4, fold, fold

FLOP ($9.50) 2 J Q

UTG bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

My standard is to raise here with a FD on board, but I think villain has relatively few FD in his range, especially with the Qs out (ruling out AsQs and KsQs) that I most likely just fold out a lot of hands that I know would continue firing on the turn and possibly river. All the same I am unsure whether this is just FPS here due to tilt from losing so recently and I should just be raising. If another spade falls or maybe a T and he keeps firing, it would be very hard to navigate for me.

TURN ($28.50) 2 J Q 5

UTG bets $15, Hero calls $15

Again the half pot bet. This is a different player, but maybe this pot/half pot betting line is a read I have missed out on?

RIVER ($58.50) 2 J Q 5 A

UTG bets $169 (AI), Hero calls $71.50 (AI)

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 18%, Flop 86.3%, Turn 95.5%)

UTG shows A A
(Pre 82%, Flop 13.7%, Turn 4.5%)

UTG wins $198

So upsetting when he flipped over his cards. I am owning 22, JJ, 55, AJ, AQ here hard every time, and there are a ton of hands that fire the turn that would give up to a flop raise, I think my line is +EV in the long run, but maybe someone impartial can chime in here.



Hand 5


UTG is 48/13 and donks 22% of the time. He donks with weak draws and 2nd and 3rd pair for the most part. BTN is 27/16. Here I think the river is a fold since I am not last to act. I can depend on UTG to bluff missed draws and valuetown himself with a worse hand most of the time, but the BTN behind me is only calling with a better hand once the A rolls off on the turn. This was near the end of my session, and I think the last hand I played.


SB ($131)
BB ($53.59)
UTG ($391)
Hero ($83.38)
CO ($50)
BTN ($93.15)

Dealt to Hero J 9

UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, BTN calls $2.50, fold, fold, UTG calls $2

FLOP ($8.85) J 6 6

UTG bets $4.42, Hero calls $4.42, BTN calls $4.42

TURN ($22.11) J 6 6 A

UTG bets $11.05, Hero calls $11.05, BTN calls $11.05

RIVER ($55.26) J 6 6 A 6

UTG bets $55.26, Hero calls $55.26, BTN calls $55.26

UTG shows 8 7
(Pre 22%, Flop 3.3%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows J 9
(Pre 32%, Flop 48.7%, Turn 4.8%)

BTN shows Q A
(Pre 46%, Flop 48.0%, Turn 95.2%)

BTN wins $217

Hand 6

Last hand for this blog. This hand is so much easier to play oop when I 3bet preflop. Again this is a very aggressive villain that barrels a lot. 30/22 3.4 AF over 600 hands. But, I think based on what I have seen from him, I should just be getting this in preflop for value, his 4bet range is 5.4% and I think he would snap get it in on the flop with top pair against anything (including my possible overpair).

Hero ($50)
BB ($58.70)
UTG ($65.62)
UTG+1 ($10.45)
CO ($87.85)
BTN ($75.79)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.75, fold, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($5.25) 5 5 3

Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25, BB folds

TURN ($15.75) 5 5 3 Q

Hero checks, CO bets $15.75, Hero calls $15.75

RIVER ($47.25) 5 5 3 Q 2

Hero checks, CO bets $47.25, Hero calls $27.25 (AI)

CO shows A A
(Pre 81%, Flop 91.6%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows J J
(Pre 19%, Flop 8.4%, Turn 4.5%)

CO wins $98.25


I will just save all the set over set and KK all in preflop vs my opponents AA (happened a lot) hands as I would never play them any different.

Play well. Do good work. Keep in touch.

PFJ

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12-14-2010
Maximus13 is offline Maximus13
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Hand 1 = terrible on a levels, we shouldn't be raising here mutliway, especially against loose players that are incapable of folding second pairs. Sbs 4 bet on the flop is never ever a bluff.

Hand 2 = I can see how you got conjured into calling. His play is terrible, and really shouldn't be doing this with any part of his range. However once again this is never ever a bluff. If he had just lost a big pot or something I don't mind a call. But with out reason the turn should be a b/f or ck for pcing against the utg possible c/r.

Hand 3 = I think this if fine, if you have a read or are ready to take a stand. So yeah pretty standard imo. Vs.. unknown, I think I can find a fold on the river. we pretty much have a bluff catcher by the river and a decent player would rarely ever be bluffing here.

Hand 4 = Super standard if you feel he is capable of barreling off, but vs an utg open, I kinda like a raise. His range is strong and hits this flop pretty hard. We can rep a lot of draws, and there are a ton of bad turns. I think there are some arguements for flatting because he can like never have tp. If this was like co vs button, or something I am a lot more like to slow play, just because there ranges are a lot wider, and therefore have a lot more air in there ranges, but vs an utg open, I kinda think we need to raise for protection. Idk close spot.
12-14-2010
Maximus13 is offline Maximus13
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Hand 5: Ez fold on river, the button is fcking everything up for us. I think I may even be able to find a fold on the turn but am not sure. Kinda of an unusual spot, on the turn. Heads up ez call. but multiway our hand suddenly looks pretty weak. However because the board is dryish I feel like they could both have fds or 2nd prs. I mean even heads up this is a really tough river call imo, so if were calling the turn what is our plan for the river?
I think this might also be a fold pre. I would avoid cc utg and mp opens too wide, were basically lighting money on fire doing this.

Hand 6: Ez Ez 3 bet pre, with the intentions of getting it in or at least being called by worse, imo. JJ plays a lot better pre then it does post. 3 betting and 5 betting JJ will help our 3 bet ranges look wider and more balanced, making us difficult to play against around the blind and button position. Postflop, I'm fine with ur play, he looks pretty fos here. I think there are arguements for c/r the flop. He is def never folding 88+ if you guys have an aggro dynamic. Plus there are some wk fds he might decide to click back thinking he has a ton of fold equity.


GL my friend! Keep you chin up!
12-15-2010
preflopjitters is offline preflopjitters
Updated 12-15-2010 at 09:25 AM by preflopjitters
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Hand 1-- I had the idea that if I raised the flop cbet IP against the weaker player, then I fold out a lot of made hands that the SB has that are still ahead of me and might also peel one if I flat. I wanted to be HU on the turn IP vs the donk. I also take initiative in the hand and can check back turns if I don't hit my draw or an ace. The pfr/donk said he folded JJ on the flop. As played, I don't think the SB's 3bet on the flop was a bluff necessarily, I think he did it for value against the donk, and was perhaps overplaying his hand here--I mean, wtf does he think I am raising with? Does he always put me on a draw thinking I should be flatting a set here? I don't know what he was thinking, tbh, but I was hoping to fold out a hand like he had with my flop raise, so gg him.

Hand 5--I actually did think, "why is this guy fucking things up for me in this hand" which means I was tilting a bit. I would call down 3 streets against the donk every time with no one behind me and not feel bad about it because I know he is bluffing a lot based on how wide his range is in correlation to how aggressive he plays. I also caught him a couple of times doing this before. But the river is a fold, I think, most of the time, with the BTN left to act.
12-15-2010
klamsauce is offline klamsauce
Hand 1 : I'm torn because when he pots the flop 3 way, it's clear we have 0 fold equity also he will probably pot the turn as well. Being IP though, I prefer a call and play it from there, our implied odds are great and we have position. No need to go broke here unecessarily in my opinion. If he has any 10 or really any pair for that matter he's never folding and we aren't in great shape.

Hand 2: It's gotta be a fold on the turn. I think the turn b/f is fine as well. I don't like that guys play w JJ fwiw. I don't think he should expect 55 or 88 etc etc all those hands to want to bet this turn. Calling ranges wider than betting ranges imo.
12-15-2010
klamsauce is offline klamsauce
Hand 3 : I like call call fold here. I'd already be a little spooked he fired the middle pairing 10 on the turn regardless of his previous frequencies. It's just not a common barrel spot. Regardless though, plenty of guys can fire 2 but not all of them will fire 3 into a range that is perceived to never be folding (your range at the river) So yeah, shitty spot but its a fold on the river.

Hand 4: I like every facet of this hand.

Hand 5: I honestly have no idea what to say about this one, an A is feasible for either one of them at the river. And our best case scenario is a split, I mean really. So I like folding somewhere just not sure where.

Hand 6. I think 3betting is fine, I think flatting is fine. I think it's played okay as well. I'm a little concerned but the guy is too loose for me to give him credit for a better hand the way this board rolled off.
12-15-2010
MrNutflush is offline MrNutflush
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Hand 1: I agree with my two buddies above, stacking off the NFD is good HU against solid opponents. 3way with a fish, being IP and having close to 0% FE it is way worse than playing it passively. Also, if the SB ever has a bluff here he is a super super bad maniac and will donate his money to you in a better spot anyways.

Hand 2 is interesting in the way that I think besides very few 7s we have only one hand in our b/c range on the turn and that is JJ. Knowing that the turn line could very well be a bluff coming from a good player to get us off our face up middle pocket pair hand I think the call is ok against more sophisticated opponents and if we had a better table image. But as it is this is a fold and a polite "ty bitch" in the chatbox.
12-15-2010
MrNutflush is offline MrNutflush
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Hand 3: If you plan to fold on the river, fold on the board pairing turn imo as this card strenghtens his range a lot. Without the read you mentioned I call, call, fold too, but not here, the river shove will just happen too frequently to give sense to our turn call with the intention to fold the river. But honestly, this guy is an aggrodonk so I couldn't find a fold on any street.

Hand 4: I like flatcalling the flop, but I don't like calling the turn again. You have to get your money into the pot by the river and flat calling a small bet again isn't going to make you that goal, plus he might have some draws worth to protect against. And even if he's weak tight, he might find a fold with AQ if you raise him small, maybe not, but you can't have an A,K,T or spade coming off and killing your action or him drawing out and stacking you like in this case.
Also: When the weak tight player shipped into you on the river, i can't see him having a weaker hand than yours. While KTs is kinda unlikey for a 12% raising range to be opened from UTG, it's still possible and the only other set he could ship would be JJ, but that wouldn't bet so small on such a wet board to come out big on the river. All in all I think the river would be a fold if you where on your A-Game.
12-15-2010
MrNutflush is offline MrNutflush
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Hand 5: With the BTN behind you last to act I like to raise or fold the flop. As played bluffraising the turn seems to be better than flat calling, but folding is what I'd prefer. As played on the river all you can do is folding, you're never good her 3way.

Hand 6: I like getting it in against aggrotards who barrel too much postflop cause I don't like finding myself in spots like in this hand. So I'd prefer 3betting to get it in over calling, but not by far. If the BB is really bad I prefer flatting to keep him in. Flop and turn are standard, but I might find a fold on the river. When the guy pots it again it is likely to be for value I think If you didn't see him do this with atc already. I'd think typical bluff sizes are either shoves or smaller bets, not exactly pot.

Chin up man, the next upswing comes as surely as the next downswing, our beloved game only works that way.
12-15-2010
preflopjitters is offline preflopjitters
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thanks for the feedback, guys.
12-15-2010
bw07507 is offline bw07507
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dont mind the way u played any hands other than 2 and 5.

Hand 2 is just an easy fold vs a player like that when he ch/jams. Hand 5 is definitely a fold when btn comes along twice.
 
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