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Sep
20
2010
Blue Book Update
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Hey guys!

I've been moving into my new place with my friend Ruby for the last few days and had some friends come into town to celebrate. I love our place and the area so much, it's freaking HUGE and the area has basically anything you could want in it and within a block or two. There's even a little club scene here (in Charlotte) if you're in that type of mood. Everyone, especially in our buidling, is crazy nice, almost to the point that it's scary. I guess I'm just used to bigger cities being full of different people and a lot of very self-interested people. I definitely want to put up some more pictures, but I'm going to wait until we get things a little further along and do something fun like a cribs episode for giggles. One of my best friends from high school is a pro with video editing, so there should be some hilarity upcoming.

Also with our new place is the gym on the top floor (along with a pool, but I digress). I've been going every other day to get back on that grind, drinking the proteins, and eating some protein heavy meals when they're available. "Every other day" and "when available" aren't phrases I'm going to get used to. They're just a means to an end. I'll be back into things hardcore in a week or two. I'm just taking things slowly to make sure I don't burn out and/or get injured.

Yeah, so place is amazing, friend visits were great, and the book is printing as we speak. I should (as long as the proof copy looks good that I'm getting tomorrow looks right) have the books to ship out to you guys within a few days of this post. Thanks for the patience guys, it's had to have been more annoying dealing with all the obstacles in the way of getting this thing to my doorstep than waiting for it... but I'm sure you're excited too! Everyone who has PMed me your contact information, you are gaurenteed a copy. Everyone else, get to work sending that PM and let me know!

I've gotten some questions here and there about the book from guys while we've been waiting for them to print. Feel free to send me questions about anything. I've gotten things from "how different is this than your group coaching" to "is the price of the book worth more than a similarly priced coaching package?" Keep the questions coming guys. Here's a link to a debate on coaching versus book purchasing to give you guys an example of a well-worded and relavant question: http://www.leggopoker.com/forums/pok...ook-12636.html.

I've got a new mic and I'm going to re-do a Rush Poker video that I did a few weeks ago for you guys that should be up soon. It focuses on exploitative plays and soul crushing because I stipulate that I have to play every single hand possible (unless I'm faced with a cold-four-bet or something ridiculous)(sometimes)). It's definitely worth a view and maybe you guys can get a taste for some cool moves or some ideas of some cool spots to check out.

I hope you guys are well. Things are busy here and have been for a while. When things calm down a lot, my presence will be felt a lot more in the poker community. I feel bad because it's something I pride myself on doing well: getting back to people quickly, answering EVERY question, and setting up my coaching and book sales in a timely manner. Thanks for reading.

-Reid

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09-21-2010
Hatya is offline Hatya
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I look forward to the video, and maybe some ridiculous run good , cuz id love to afford the book.
09-21-2010
The72o is offline The72o
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yay!
09-22-2010
chiTown22 is offline chiTown22
I really don't understand the ridiculous price points for poker books and ebooks created by online players. $2500 is completely out of line for any piece of instructional text. The justification based on predicted earnings increase is simply laughable. That would be comparable to a hedge fund manager selling a book on finance for 1 million dollars.

If the book is as great, why not publish it through traditional means and sell it at a price point comparable to Super System? I guarantee Super System and other traditionally distributed books will and have profited far higher than you will selling this book for $2500.

I would snap pay around $100 for your book. I don't disagree in the slightest that it would be valuable, but no written text is worth $2500. At that price, I and many others will simply not read it or find a free copy through the internet. At $100 it is worth paying for a copy, at $2500 it's just not. Sorry, if I am out of line, just giving you my personal opinion as a potential customer.
09-22-2010
chiTown22 is offline chiTown22
For example, here is a 600+ page book on successful trading by Robert Rotella. He is one of the more successful traders over the last 20 years. manages a personal trading fund around 500 million built up from 50k. It's on Amazon for $24.95.

http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Succe...5189077&sr=8-1
09-22-2010
hobiejuan1 is offline hobiejuan1
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pretty sure this has been discussed to death before
09-22-2010
shootaa is offline shootaa
Updated 09-22-2010 at 06:25 PM by shootaa
When you play 600nl and make 4 buy ins from reading this book life-time, you see how $2500 is a laughable number. It's far from ridiculous, if anything, it's ridiculously cheap. If you play lower stakes, you should probably buy The Theory of Poker. For example, if you play 5nl, is buying a $30 Theory of Poker book ridiculous? Doubtful. There are threads everywhere (including this blog post) that discuss book pricing versus coaching versus the game you play versus my hourly rate.

It's not how long the pages are, it's what's in them. It's like someone who is called into a room full of buttons for a large amount of money to press a single button to stop a building from exploding (when all the other buttons lock up the control panel or what have you) and after being paid, being told that it's ridiculous that he only had to press one button to stop the disaster. It's not about how many buttons you press, or pages you write, it's about which button, what's in those pages. It sounds like amazon is probably the way to go for some people and definitely not the way to go for others, which is why I wrote this book. Super System is probably the better choice for some people, but if you beat 400nl, everyone you're playing with read Super System 4 years ago or whenever they started and knows everything in it already, so that information is essentially worthless to you.

Information is power and for a MSNL player, it's tough to find new information. That's the main reason this book costs so much. I don't think you're out of line. I think you have the right to say what you think. I do believe that you're misinformed about my intentions in creating this book and more importantly the purpose of it's creation.
09-22-2010
shootaa is offline shootaa
Re: your example, if Gordon Gecko wrote a book on the game for $1 million and you knew it was 100% his honest answers about everything AND you had the roll to buy it, you'd be foolish not to spend the money for that information. The EV of that honest information, given that's exactly the information that person used to make his money and given that you believe yourself to be a rational person capable of processing written knowledge and given that that person is a very experienced and respected teacher is far higher than the cost of his book.
09-23-2010
chiTown22 is offline chiTown22
At the end of the day, this is your book. Your hard work and sweat. I'm just fascinated by this and other book pricing and how well it appears to go over with many poker players.

Have you read "Let There Be Range?" After reading it do you believe that book was properly priced? The logic you give to sell your book's price is similar to an infomercial pitch. It sounds good and logical on the surface but it's fundamentally flawed. Just like the infomercial pitch man telling you to buy his knife because it will be the only knife you will ever have to buy. Its such a deal. Heck, I'm actually crazy to be giving it away for this price, etc

For one, it assumes the the key to winning poker is some sort of piece of information. As if your book has a secret code that will win folks exponential returns on their $2500 investment. The key to winning poker is not some sort piece of information. You know that.

On a completely different note, my gut says that a lower price point would actually earn you more money. Maybe you have done some research on expected sales numbers and $2500 is the sweet spot. I personally have no experience on the subject its just my initial reaction.

Anyways cheers man. Just wanted to give my 2cents. I'm definitely interested in reading what you wrote. Best of luck with the book and the future in general.
09-23-2010
shootaa is offline shootaa
I don't claim this book to be a magic rungood trick or a poker panacea by any means. In fact, the way it's written makes it the exact opposite. It's written to make you work on your game and help you ask the questions to yourself that need to be asked for you to improve as a poker player (see steel108's review of a chapter of the book in his blog).

This book is for people who have hit a wall in poker or who want to jump-start areas of their game and people who want to learn more about the game. Once again, I think you're a little misinformed about what I've created in my book and the purpose of it. It sounds like you are more or less, purposefully or not, saying that I'm scamming the poker community. That's a pretty serious and ludacrous accusation and I've worked for a long time and very hard to build a reputation that's based on results to help to me sell this book. So while your comments are warranted and certainly within your right to make known, I would appreciate you wording them a bit less critically or even in the form of a question because as is, it feels like you're attempting to undermine a lot my hard work without any discernible reason to do so.
09-23-2010
chiTown22 is offline chiTown22
To be clear, I don't believe in the slightest that you are scamming the community in any way, and I don't for a second believe you are trying to over sell something or anything like that. I think you are just following an established pricing model for online poker books. I'm not sure exactly who was the first to establish a price point relative to the targeted audiences poker stakes, but my point is that that approach to pricing is flawed and misguided.

Setting the value and therefore the price of a book based on "4 buy ins at 600NL" is what I am criticizing. I believe you are just following something previously established so please don't take it as a direct criticism of you personally. My comment is on the idea which is flawed to the point of being laughable.

As I said, I actually would hypothesize that you would make more money by selling it for much much less. More customers and less incentive to search for a free copy online, and It would also be priced better relative to true value.
09-23-2010
irunlucky is offline irunlucky
Is somebody angling for a free book to be proven wrong?
09-25-2010
kawel is offline kawel
Hey man.. I will buy this book with a friend ofcourse as will many other.. Just write in your blog and let all the buyers know that if they give the book to a friend who plays low stakes that it will be just a matter of 1-2months before it gets online for free and that would be very bad for online poker and you aswell....
 
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