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Student Caine

Feb
02
2010
Zero Points for Winning...Means You're Losing
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If I am lucky enough, on the weekends I will eventually find myself at the local Border’s where I sample various books trying to figure out what to commit to read next. It is inevitable that of the selections I read, I will draw correlations to poker.

Last weekend I read through parts of former San Francisco 49er and Stanford University Head Coach Bill Walsh’s The Score Takes Care of Itself. It is a business leadership book and for the most part contains the information one would expect to find in a leadership book, with anecdotes taken from his coaching days to provide the examples that tie the material together. There was one subsection of a chapter called “Zero Points for Winning…Means You’re Losing” that discussed Walsh's personal experience with something I call a "negative scoring system".

THE CONCEPT
In the text Coach Walsh talks about how when operating at the top end of the competitive scale many people, in many different walks of life, cope with the fact that losing causes some pain or anguish. He goes on to state that the fear of failure is a distinct part of the competitive nature due to the pain that is caused by loss, but we must work to control this fear of failure. The real danger is that the desire to succeed, when misshapen, has the potential to psychologically cripple us as our flawed expectations push us into a situation in which we give ourselves “Zero Points for winning…[and] minus points for losing.”. At this point we have entered a negative scoring system - a mental state where our expectations cause us to acknowledge failures and ignore success.

WALSH’S PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
When he started out with the 49ers Walsh took great pride in any improvement that he could make to the team as a whole as well as individual players. His satisfaction and sense of accomplishment were closer to being more process driven and less results oriented. Over time, the process got away from Coach Walsh and he found himself in a spot where even winning week to week wasn’t enough. The progression of Walsh’s situation went like this (taken from the text):

1. In the beginning teaching players to execute and perform at higher levels provided satisfaction and gratification. This success was reinforced by increased stats (more yards/carry, fewer turnovers, etc.), but winning was not an issue; good play and execution were enough to provide the feelings of accomplishment.

2. Later, good play and execution were satisfying as long as they were accompanied by a win.

3. Finally, good play and execution even if accompanied by a win resulted in only temporary relief from the fear of pain (loss).

At this point, Walsh stated that he was giving himself “zero points for winning”. Even if he won this week, next week was another opportunity to lose. He had become entrenched in a negative scoring system.

NEXT TIME
Over the next few blog entries we will take a closer look at how the negative scoring system impacted Coach Walsh and those around him. We will also use what we learn from Walsh's observations to look at a couple of poker examples as well as ways to keep ourselves from engaging in negative scoring systems.

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02-02-2010
Probability is offline Probability
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going to buy it when i get back.
02-02-2010
IcarusJam is offline IcarusJam
this is really interesting, please post the next part soon
02-02-2010
aumorgan is offline aumorgan
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Real intersted in where this is going. I can see this is some of my thinking, just didn't know what to call it. Look forward to more on this.
02-02-2010
Student Caine is offline Student Caine
Updated 02-02-2010 at 10:52 AM by Student Caine
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Thanks for the comments guys.

Unless you are a 49ers or Bill Walsh fan then you can probably get just as much out of it by going to a bookstore and reading the topics in it that interest you. Buying it wouldn't be a total loss especially given the price tag, but it is a basic leadership book. Of course, the sports anecdotes do provide a nice tie in that makes the material a bit more interesting, so if leadership books are *meh* to you then this one might hold your interest more effectively.

I will work on getting the next parts out soon...
02-02-2010
Isura is offline Isura
I don't think what he was doing is necessarily bad. It's part of the process of reaching expertise in any field. You are constantly improving yourself because that's what comes naturally to someone immersed and expert in a field.
02-03-2010
Mr Papagiorgio is offline Mr Papagiorgio
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Great......... Just one more thing I do that I need to worry about....LOL .. Quick ---- turn this into a poker lesson and save me the anguish!
02-04-2010
Student Caine is offline Student Caine
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Welcome back Isura, how was your trip?

The competitive drive is not a bad thing. In fact the desire generated by this drive can be a huge asset that we can use to our advantage. It is when this drive pushes us in a negative direction that we start to see issues.

The progression that Bill Walsh experienced is natural, and while not ideal it is by no means horrible. When it becomes an issue is when our the progression, driven by our competitive nature, begins to move in an (almost) exclusively negative direction - a point where we allow ourselves to focus on negatives, but never on positives (as we see at the end of Walsh's progression above).

Our next entry will be a summary of Coach Walsh's observations about how the "Zero points" mindset affected himself and 49er's management. This will hopefully provide a good example of why negative scoring systems, while effective, short term motivators for some and part of our natural progression towards expertise, need to be avoided.

I will do my best to have the next entry posted late tonight. Sorry Mr. Papagiorgio, if I try to cram it all into one post I will be inundated with tl;dr's.