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tedjam

Aug
01
2011
Live Hand JJ on btton @2/3
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utg 100 raises to 10
3 callers

I squeeze to 65 (300 behind(prob 45 is plenty there??)

SB flats has me covered

everyone folds

170ish in pot

SB was flatting a heap preflop he wold limp and I wold iso and no matter the amont he would call
he could hand read ok but was a bit of a station at this stage I had him on 1010+ and suited connectors as he loved playing them ie 45s 78s. I thought AK was most likely as he wasnt the type to get it in pre as he loved seeing flops.

flop is 8s 9s 2h


I have the Js


I bet 100 into 170 ( is this a mistake im getting value from 1010s but if he flatted an over pair hes not folding and it hits npaired flatting hands pretty hard

turn is the 10s (pot 370) he checks and I get a sense he doesnt love the hand but isnt folding
I decide to check and try to bink a spade or my straight I think a set might be good some % 2.

river is a blank he checks

I ???? im leaning to checking here as I cant make better fold(its live) and there arent many worse that can call




Ill post what he had later today

would appreciate your thoughts
on my play and what you think he had

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08-02-2011
grogheadflow is offline grogheadflow
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SB was flatting a heap preflop he wold limp and I wold iso and no matter the amont he would call
This is all the info we need. We don't need to know his exact SB cold calling range, from the above lets just infer that he's clearly a fish and thus his range is uber-wide. PSR of 2 we're just betting flop and shoving literally every turn.

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there arent many worse that can call
This is likely a huge 'pessimist' disconnect in your thinking. Meaning, I know for a fact that if you wound up on the river with AQ you wouldn't bluff as 'no pair really folds'. Correct me if I'm wrong !

We're betting $135 into a pot of $370 and thus I think no pair is folding, and when called VS his range ur good > 50% of the time so ship it !
08-02-2011
tedjam is offline tedjam
@grog no i wouldnt bluff AQ on river


so i guess the issue I have is this ,

the way I played it I assume I lose the minimum when Im beat so thats good buuuuuuuut)

Like you said what about when im good
your saying Im not winning enough?
and that im not putting enough pressure on hands with equity that i want to fold?

in essence im trying to find what my stream of consciousness should be
08-02-2011
lostinthesaus is offline lostinthesaus
pokerstove his range vs your hand. I think you'll see it's a turn shove. especially given this read

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I get a sense he doesnt love the hand but isnt folding
08-02-2011
tedjam is offline tedjam
Updated 08-02-2011 at 10:28 PM by tedjam
thanks guys
he had KK (with the K of spade)

which means my raise preflop is probably too big as i prob fold all worse?
I think I should raise to 40 which means he would likely 4 bet which means I can fold pretty comfortably ( but u know l ,I didnt wanna play multi way + i thought UTG wold shove after putting in 10% of his stack)

I cant believe he flatted he either put me on Aces pre
or cant hand read on flop, but I wanna know what hes thinking so i can exploit in future
as he was the typical live player, not really a fish just very mediocre. unless he just out played me pre
08-03-2011
IcarusJam is offline IcarusJam
Am I the only one who flats preflop?
08-03-2011
tedjam is offline tedjam
@ Icaurs UTG has 30bb, I wanted to iso him/get it in v him( i bet too big though) , its likely the hand would have been5 or 6 way if I flat. whats ur reasoning 4 flatting
01-29-2012
guitarizt is offline guitarizt
Ideally I think I'd make it like 49 pre just so I could rejam if utg jams but I hate that size and I'd never make it in practice so I think I'd make it 60 because I like round numbers and I think that's a pot sized raise. Raise sizes are so game flow and player dependent though so I'd trust your judgement more than mine.

As played looks fine to me and I'm with grog. I'm just betting flop jamming turn for value. He's going to have AT JT 66 77 A9s A8s T8s T9s maybe even offsuit and I think you're putting him on too narrow of a range. If you can add some A9o A8o combos and discount some QTo combos from his range this will get even better since there's so many QTo combos, but here you still have 64% equity.

Simulated 100000 Holdem Hands (Monte Carlo)
Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator
Board :: 9s8s2hTs
Code:
 Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi                       Range                           
    
   1       36.6     35.5     2.2      QJ,QT,JT,J9s,JTs,T9s,T8s,77,TT,22+,76s,A9s,A8s 
   2       63.4     62.3     2.2                           JsJ*
01-29-2012
tedjam is offline tedjam
I just thought I narrow his range pre by betting to much ( I really hate it and now would bet 46ish
and yeah turn is a trivial Jam, not sure why I didnt

I like his flat pre( although he should c/r all in flop), although his reasons are probably retarded

I dont think his range includes A9s A8s T8s T9s I think he has AK0 AKs AQs AJs KQs 88+
I think my 20bb raise narrows his range considerably more than I initially thought (we are only 100bb deep)
01-30-2012
guitarizt is offline guitarizt
I think this is the part that's most in-congruent:

"turn is the 10s (pot 370) he checks and I get a sense he doesnt love the hand but isnt folding
I decide to check and try to bink a spade or my straight I think a set might be good some % 2"

I put a lot of stock into stuff like that and I'd just jam the turn for value. If I was him with QQ I'd play it the same way and sigh and fold the turn to a jam unless I thought they could show up with worse.
 
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