01-05-2012

congrats on 2011, great song too!!

From what i've heard those calculations seem about right. Nits will lose like 20%+, and normal TAG's lose around 10%. I haven't found a place with updated vpp/hand yet. Good luck if u choose to continue on SNE path.

01-05-2012

Well done on your year. I'm getting 0.54 vpps per hand at 200nl, but that's very loose. I toyed with SNE today but again how anyone wins at 9+ tables is beyond me.

01-05-2012

Ouch -10% for normal tags =[[

grog I'm assuming that's slightly more than you used to get?

01-05-2012

Yeh slightly, and I won't get away with it at 400nl either so I'm not over the moon or anything

01-05-2012

@thanks robby, the sopranos soundtrack rules !
Thanks, I can play very solid poker at 12 tables, decent poker at 15 tables, problem is when I play 15+ tables but in that period I'm really straightforward it's like driving a car with an automatic gearbox, it's still you inside
I play something like 25/22 I consider myself quite laggy.

01-06-2012

I was doing alright 18 tabling FR and felt like I could put on some more with training but 9+ for 6max is way different

01-06-2012

What I don't get Ultras is how exactly you people 'thin down' your thought process. Example, I had a hand today, completely standard. Raise KTo otb, bb 3bets. Check his 3bet stat VS btn which I guess you do, it's wide enough so I flat.

Flop 882, he cbets $20 into $38. At this point, there's a ton of stuff to think about. Ie what's his fold to 4bet%, as from that we can weight his hands towards 99 etc or QTo. How good a thinker is this player, will he perceive a float as strong, or is he on a good enough level that he should actually perceive our flatting range as fairly weak here given my BTN steal and his own BB tendencies. How many turn cards help our range, how many help his range. Etc etc.

Basically just a simple spot I stare at for almost the whole timebank before making a decision. I need to do this on every decision, or else I fail. Please do give me your 16 tabling thought process in the above spot.

01-06-2012

I would fold preflop; as played I would fold the flop, I would re adapt if he would get really abusive by opening with a minraise and keep folding, I want to show him a hand the first time I put big money in the pot and when I do he will usually back off. I feel I should playback more at all people that have a huge 3bet late vs late + a big flop cbet in 3bet pots but I don't. What I do is put notes on villains with 10k or more hands vs me and I study their 3bet pot play when I have the time in order to adapt the best I can in future sessions, last one I've studied is called "DeanoSupremo" and I feel I can adapt very well vs him now. Vs unknown villains or villains with small samples I play kinda straightforward, can't really play high variance at the beginning of the day, it may lead to playing out of comfort for 6-7 hours.
Also most people I play against at nl200 are dumb I don't have to think at a high level in order to beat them, I realize I won't get away with that at nl400+ but when I'll play nl400+ my number of tables will be low and my bankroll will be 150bi+ so everything should be fine. I'm going to do this the Manchester City way: "You want to be successful at football? Well, step 1: get an infinite bankroll".

01-07-2012

grog you should be thinking about his range already pf and have an idea instead of weighting his hands on the flop.

on the flop I would mostly be looking at how he'll play turns if I flat or how he'll react to a raise after I look at how often he's cbetting but most ppl cbet like close to 100% neway so their ranges just dont really change from pf

01-07-2012

I think a lot of things in holdem can become more automated than people give them credit for and it's just missing the variables multitabling that I miss out on and not how I want to play certain hands on certain board textures given villain's tendencies. I used to think automating things was bad and it'd make me lazy but I think I just had the wrong view about it. The more things I can automate the better. That way I can just consider the variables which really helps keep me from making plays that make no sense at the end of a five hour session or if I'm not feeling like playing.

I always do what ultras does too and comb through my db to see how the regs are playing to try to see what level they're on which is probably more important at micros since people tend to have a wider playing style. PT4 is awesome for this with notetracker. You can quickly see what hands villain cold calls, 3-bets, ect. It was really cumbersome to have to sort by pots won in HM and actually go through each individual hand just to get an idea of what people are doing. Of course you still have to go through the hand anyways to see how they play their hands and who they were against. Notecaddy for hm can probably do the same thing but I'm too cheap to buy it.

01-07-2012

@James yes of course I'm simply giving a rough example of the abundance of thinking necessary. Maybe you've missed the point though, I'm not saying 'how does I play poker', I'm saying 'how does I play poker over 16 tables'.

see even this amount of thinking takes 4-5 seconds (at least for me but I may just be slow and stoopid) and you simply don't have time. I think Ultras answered it by saying snap fold (marginalish spot) and also do work away from the tables.

01-07-2012

I tried 18 tabling 6max at 1-2 the last few days (even 24 tabling a little...) to see if getting SNE would be possible without playing higher.. Have lost so much money that my hot or not rating on PTR is actually at 0. Pretty sure I'm a losing player at 6max with > 12 tables these days, and just burning money with > 15