Subpar Coaches/Misleading Bios

[spect]

If on a bio it said someone plays $5/10, charges $175/hour and he makes 200nl videos (most of which have low ratings), yet actually plays .5/1 and 1/2 for a very small winrate, would you say this wrong?

I don't get it, every site except for Bluefire has subpar instructors, why? And if an instructor doesn't work hard enough and falls behind why aren't they let go?

[robbyd86]

Not every coach on leggo crushes high stakes. That's b/c leggo offers coaches from micros, small stakes and mid stakes as well. Not sure who is claiming to play 5/10 but playing 1/2. A lot of times coaches won't make videos at the stakes they play b/c they don't want other regs to know exactly how they play at those limits. Also, most the coaches are selected not only b/c they are beating the games, but b/c they are active in the forums, and go beyond just making videos.

Coaches don't really get "fired" b/c they stop making videos. If they chose to stop producing, their vids remain on the site b/c leggo has rights to them.

[spect]

Ok fine I'll name names. Thac "currently playing $5/$10 NL and taking a few shots at $10/$20" actually plays .5/1 and 1/2 at a very, very low winrate. And makes videos at 1/2.

Maybe I'm being a douche and it's not him playing 3k hands/day on his stars account (in which case disregard what I've said... but obv the question has to be asked) but his videos have scored pretty poorly lately too.

And I'm not saying coaches need to crush highstakes, they just need to do well at something. Like if you want someone to do a 50nl video a 200nl reg that beats the game for 4BB/100 or whatever is totally fine.

Also you guys sometimes tell coaches they can't make videos anymore right (due to poor performance/whatever else)? It's not just completely up to them whether they continue or not?

[grogheadflow]

I think virtually all the coaches have enough personal pride that they themselves don't want to make educational videos at a time that they're not doing well. I went on a massive DS right after joining leggo for example, and you haven't seen a 400nl vid from me since. Similarly, I don't think Thac has made a 5-10 vid lately....

[Pickaface]

Originally Posted by grogheadflow

I think virtually all the coaches have enough personal pride that they themselves don't want to make educational videos at a time that they're not doing well. I went on a massive DS right after joining leggo for example, and you haven't seen a 400nl vid from me since. Similarly, I don't think Thac has made a 5-10 vid lately....

But don't you think it's wrong that maybe some people will pay for coaching to ex thac because they think he beats/is playing nl1k?

[robbyd86]

I think thac when he joined leggo was taking shots at 5/10 but after running bad and other reasons i believe he mentioned in his blog he dropped back down to small stakes.

[Pickaface]

Originally Posted by robbyd86

I think thac when he joined leggo was taking shots at 5/10 but after running bad and other reasons i believe he mentioned in his blog he dropped back down to small stakes.

Even so I think it's important to change his bio (or update) since ppl can still think that.

[luvr]

The only thing I want to add is that Bio updates would probably be a good thing all around. Not just for reasons listed here but for example Chewy could update his to mention his recent live win.

[aejones]

You'll have to excuse us for not updating bios on a weekly basis, but I promise you that it was all accurate when the coach became a coach. Thac's video scores lately have not been good, but that is based on a small sample size of reviews. Additionally, he has not responded to his last couple of video threads, and I'm not sure why that is because all coaches respond extensively to their video threads. This somehow evaded me but I'm glad it was brought to my attention.

In the longrun, we go by unique video views and not by ratings. The ratings are often neglected because there are people who are too shy to rate a video or don't have the guts to write why they gave the video a 3/10. Thac has been a model Leggo coach with nearly 500 forums posts and over 100 blog entries.

His video ratings, since you brought it up, have been:

8.89
9.67
8.67
9.73
8.4
9
8.45
9.25
6.25
8.67
7.8
4.77

As you might expect, the smallest sample size is the last video he made (with the lowest rating). Additionally, he has made only one video at 200NL and zero videos above those stakes. Based on these scores, I believe what you wanted the thread to reflect is that we have a Leggo coach who is perhaps second guessing his game too much because he may be in a downswing and/or not responding to his video thread. To claim that his videos are poor based on the ratings would seem to be a recency bias and/or lack of sample size.

I mean honestly, I'm embarrassed to have to respond to this thread given the quality of instructors that we have.

[Probability]

Originally Posted by spect

If on a bio it said someone plays $5/10, charges $175/hour and he makes 200nl videos (most of which have low ratings), yet actually plays .5/1 and 1/2 for a very small winrate, would you say this wrong?

I don't get it, every site except for Bluefire has subpar instructors, why? And if an instructor doesn't work hard enough and falls behind why aren't they let go?

The bio was accurate when it was written but has not been updated recently. It was not created with an intent to deceive members or students.

And if an instructor doesn't work hard enough and falls behind why aren't they let go?

This is a pretty broad question and I am not sure how you meant it.

Thac has had real life obligations that have kept him from putting in as much time as he would like both at the tables and at Leggo. Largely we go off ratings and video thread responses to decide if someone should continue to make videos. As Aaron mentioned, Trevor's videos have all had good ratings for the most part.

Some producers like nutsinho are not going to produce a lot of videos. This could be because their involvement with Leggo is a hobby or maybe they are part of Aaron's "ole boy" network. Are we going to let Rich go because he is not as active as other producers? No.

I encourage anyone reading this thread who has feedback, positive or negative, to post it somewhere. If you don't want to post in the video thread or start a thread them PM someone. We need feedback from you guys so we can continue to improve and tailor Leggo to what members want.