Sauce in the Cage: 7/27/08

[MYNAMEIZGREG]

Originally Posted by sauce123

i bought a 7500 dollar IWC

IWC???????????

[scandieslol]

Originally Posted by aejones

Live man or dead woman?

I LOL'd.

A few Q's

1) Funniest thing you have heard at a poker table?

2)Top five people dead or alive who you'd like to go drinking with.

3) How many suits do you own?

4) Would you ever have a pet pig?

5) Dogs or Cats?

6) Tooth fairy or the easter bunner?

7) Do you believe in Santa Clause and if not when and why did you stop?

8) Have you ever seen "the goonies"? If so five word synopsis please.

Best of luck, also I remember talking to you at Gregs bday for a bit and you mentioned that you might be coming over to Ireland, if you end up over here pm me and I can show you around if you want, (by this I mean to a good put/night club, I am not doing and ****ing tours of trinity college )

[balzak]

sauce you seem very down to earth which is really cool.

how much longer do you see yourself playin poker? do you coach? also do you have as grim an outlook on the future of poker as many others do (i.e. games dryin up, competition getting harder, more training sites, etc.)

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by don caballero

****ing ender's game! gotta read speaker for the dead afterwards.

here's some additional lit suggestions for anyone who's interested:

a confederacy of dunces - toole (single funniest book i've ever read)
less than zero - ellis (by the author of american psycho)
in the skin of a lion - ondaatje
stranger in a strange land - heinlein (sci-fi cult classic, inspired an actual cult)

edit: agreed, dogma is way overrated

hell yea don... i read a lot of basically anything, but ive read most every orson scott card book but just re read ender's game ender's shadow and shadow of the hegemon recently though ender's game is by far the best

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by dacubs12

"also, u should be calling preflop much more often from the BB than the SB and with a wider range. this is related to the fact i like to keep my range polarized preflop, where many regulars will 3bet a stronger, but less polar range."

How does calling more in the BB than the SB tie into keeping your 3betting range polarized preflop? Also, why why do you like to keep that range polarized? Thanks.

well the general theory goes like so: If im in the BB, im closing the action and getting a better price on my call, so calling is more attractive than raising (from the sb 3betting allows us to never get squeezed which is a v advantageous betsize 100bb deep)."

since calling is a good option in the bb, i can call with weaker holdings than what id play in the sb, specially if the opener plays poorly, passively, or is in LP. so i might be calling with hands as weak as QJo and 86ss. similarly, to strengthen my monkeying around range i like to flat call raises in the bb with hands i would usually 3bet from the SB: AJss, AQo, TT type hands (though i certainly re raise as well)... this allows me to have more nut hands in my range on different board textures and keeps my opponent's often dominated LP open hands in the pot so that i can get him to make some expensive mistakes postflop.

ok, so on to 3betting. since we im flat calling the whole middle chunk of my range for the most part (though that middle chunk contains some near-premium hands) that leaves a polarized range for 3betting. call it AQss AKo JJ+ KQss and then a variety of hands which i think have a lot of value but aren't quite strong enough to flat call from the BB: 22-66, 53ss type stuff with good implied odds. that would make up the bare bones approach of how id consider playing 3bet pots with a strong opponent whom i didnt have reads against.

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by Robin_Ripper

What was your first reaction when you were asked to join team leggo?

What do you think you will bring to leggo that is different from the other coachespro's? (not meant in a **** way)

Cat or Dog?

Guitar Hero or real guitar?

maximum amount of consecutive time you would want to spent in Vegas?

Do you feel like you've figured out the entire game or still come across many situations where you don't know what would be optimal to do?

The weirdest response a non-poker player gave when he found out you won/lost $xK that day/week?

Rather be very lucky or good?

Favorite thing to do when taking a break from poker?

1. No.

2. some nosebleed action!

3. easy dog

4. air

5. 2 weeks

6. i am constantly confused by poker situations and do inexplicably stupid **** even when i know what to do

7. i dont tell ppl how much i win/lose but my friends know when its time to get hammered

8. very good

9. hiking in the woods, drinking in the woods, gta4

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by matsvenjes

* How do u play AJ/AQ hands in position in 6max? Against good regulars, 3betting is like the worst option? Because they'll 4bet or fold like always oop. Same goes for hands like 99/TT.

* 6handed 2KNL game, 2K effective stacks. We open AQo on the button (40% steal), and the SB 3bets (8% 3bet, quite a lot oop too). We call this time. Flop comes Ks 3s Jd. What's ur plan here, facing a cbet? Do u like (semi)blufraise more then a float? Pro's and con's for those 2 options?

Thanks a lot man,
-mat

yes, im often flat calling hands like AJ/AQ, especially with 100bb stacks.

** things get a lot more complicated here. first we need to know how often hes cbetting. im going to assume often because we are considering raising/floating as our only two options haha.

ok so here we can play a few different strategies which all make a lot of sense. there's a fair amount of math to be done on this topic and as usual all of this math is tempered by how familiar we are with our opponent's tendencies. so im gonna go with the simplest answer and say id call almost always given my only info was a sample size X of datamined hands and we had little to no history.

reason being:

we have 4 outs to the nuts so even if he flipped over KK its not exactly a terrible mistake.
we dont know if he is capable of bluff jamming over our small raise or semi bluff jamming a range of any gutter/any flopped pair etc
we have an extremely clear turn fold if bet into again
we represent a wide range: gutter-KK and everything in between so we can represent a wide range of semi-thin value bets on most any turn/river combo, much more so than if we had raised.

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by ExaMeter

so you say (bearing any huge leaks in villain ofc) that 3betting or flatting have the same ev overall pretty much?
i can see how this could be true but i dont quite understand why you would 3bet at all then except for setting villian up for mistakes later. there must be something imo.
im sure i oversimplify the topic way too much but it would be cool if you could elaborate on this.



i started doing this as well. like not 3betting AQ TT and such hands oop but on the other hand i wonder if better regs might start to pick up on this and therefore be able to play better against me.
on the other hand if i knew that villain only 3bets JJ+, AK and a ton of SCs, suited 1gappers or small Axs and such i wouldnt be too sure how to play against that.

also does the difference between doing it in the bb but not in the sb stems from a good bb squeezing too light to make flatting in the sb with KQ, AT etc too tough? (assuming bb is good and tries to attack our semigood flatting range)



also your blog is very inspiring. i used to read a lot but really didnt lately. i picked up your idea of taking your time of reading for a bit before starting the "workday" if you want to call it that.
very good read overall.

yea i think you are on the right track here. i think the main concept missing from your understanding is a grasp of the applications of FREQUENCIES. basically, by default i think most regs play a style closer to game theory optimal (which has never been even close to solved for NL so take this for what its worth as im by no means an expert here) which is striving to create a set of bets/raises/calls so that our opponent cannot exploit us and hence we can never make a mistake, so we will eventually win some loot unless we are playing another magic game theory ninja warrior. sorry for how dense that paragraph is, leave out the part about ninjas it might help.

anyways, what im getting at is that a lot of the time i KNOW what the other regulars in my game are 3betting. they don't have some mystery hat where they can pull out 83ss and stack me on an 833 flop that i never dreamed possible. in fact, they as much as tell me they are 3betting a range of AQ+ TT+ and then the SC/small PP/mid offsuite connector mash-up we have all come to expect with a few variations and tendencies specific to each regular. and if i have a hand like 66, i have to fold. because their range is too strong, and my information while "range perfect" is not sufficiently perfect this specific hand to merit me calling their 3bet with 66. so by randomizing their strategy, they win.

now lets talk about someone who plays a decent strategy and 3bets JJ+ AK and then any SC, one gapper, 2 gapper or 22-77, 76-98, always. they lose because now their range is so full of absolute garbage i can being to attack them with 4bets/call-floats almost indiscriminate of my cards. the challenge then when crafting your own strategy for 3betting/calling is to fill each range with the right semibluff-value ratio for each opponent and then try to make their life living hell without allowing them to walk all over you. i definitely could have been clearer with all points here sorry...

Originally Posted by SpewKid

Do you think it's ok to never call 3bets out of position against other regulars? Usually I don't call 3bets oop. I feel like there could be some value in calling with hands like KQ or AQ when you don't want to get it in preflop, but it's just so hard to play and so hard to balance that I don't do it. Am I missing value?

in a word: probably. though at the same time if you are 4betting/4bet calling with good frequencies 100bb deep its probably not as much of a grave leak that you need to change anything. maybe take a day and move down 1-2 levels and never 4bet oop so you are balanced by default! then see how many hands you think you can play profitably and gain experience.

Originally Posted by aejones

Live man or dead woman?

live man, but dead me sounds kinda attractive also when faced with these kind of choices.........

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by scandieslol

I LOL'd.

A few Q's

1) Funniest thing you have heard at a poker table?

2)Top five people dead or alive who you'd like to go drinking with.

3) How many suits do you own?

4) Would you ever have a pet pig?

5) Dogs or Cats?

6) Tooth fairy or the easter bunner?

7) Do you believe in Santa Clause and if not when and why did you stop?

8) Have you ever seen "the goonies"? If so five word synopsis please.

Best of luck, also I remember talking to you at Gregs bday for a bit and you mentioned that you might be coming over to Ireland, if you end up over here pm me and I can show you around if you want, (by this I mean to a good put/night club, I am not doing and ****ing tours of trinity college )

Scandiessssssss

1) gabe patgorski

2) this is just too hard i donno, but how bout drinking thats rly fun

3) 0

4) what i really want is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg

5) dogs

6) easter bunny is badass

7) god i dont remember but i did believe in him cause presents were sick and my parents definitely wouldnt give me those had to be some outside influence. i think the mall santa was a tipoff and seemed quite suspect

never seen it

Originally Posted by balzak

sauce you seem very down to earth which is really cool.

how much longer do you see yourself playin poker? do you coach? also do you have as grim an outlook on the future of poker as many others do (i.e. games dryin up, competition getting harder, more training sites, etc.)

im gonna try to play poker pretty seriously for the next 2-5 years so i have no need to ever work again and can just travel and such

i do coach but not often and im admittedly an awful organizer and scheduler.

i think games are as good as ever but the competition is definitely tougher, though this might not make sense

[xptboy]

Originally Posted by sauce123

i think games are as good as ever but the competition is definitely tougher, though this might not make sense

could you elaborate a bit on this? Are you optimistic about HE or do you think the future is PLO and in the future PLO will dry up as well and be took over by another game?