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dacubs12 · #**121** (**permalink**) 08-07-2008, 12:24 AM

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"also, u should be calling preflop much more often from the BB than the SB and with a wider range. this is related to the fact i like to keep my range polarized preflop, where many regulars will 3bet a stronger, but less polar range."

How does calling more in the BB than the SB tie into keeping your 3betting range polarized preflop? Also, why why do you like to keep that range polarized? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by sauce123

well the general theory goes like so: If im in the BB, im closing the action and getting a better price on my call, so calling is more attractive than raising (from the sb 3betting allows us to never get squeezed which is a v advantageous betsize 100bb deep)."

since calling is a good option in the bb, i can call with weaker holdings than what id play in the sb, specially if the opener plays poorly, passively, or is in LP. so i might be calling with hands as weak as QJo and 86ss. similarly, to strengthen my monkeying around range i like to flat call raises in the bb with hands i would usually 3bet from the SB: AJss, AQo, TT type hands (though i certainly re raise as well)... this allows me to have more nut hands in my range on different board textures and keeps my opponent's often dominated LP open hands in the pot so that i can get him to make some expensive mistakes postflop.

ok, so on to 3betting. since we im flat calling the whole middle chunk of my range for the most part (though that middle chunk contains some near-premium hands) that leaves a polarized range for 3betting. call it AQss AKo JJ+ KQss and then a variety of hands which i think have a lot of value but aren't quite strong enough to flat call from the BB: 22-66, 53ss type stuff with good implied odds. that would make up the bare bones approach of how id consider playing 3bet pots with a strong opponent whom i didnt have reads against.

But why do you like to keep your range polarized preflop? In your vid, you stress the importance of keeping your range as wide as possible. Are you saying that since you "like" to be able to call looser in the BB, you therefore like to keep your 3betting range polarized? Sorry if I misunderstood something and thanks for taking the time to answer our questions.

sauce123 · #**122** (**permalink**) 08-07-2008, 08:17 AM

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Do you think it is a leak to 3-bet and not double barrel (if you decide to c-bet)? Fee's guide on 2+2 states that you should not ever c-bet in a 3-bet pot if you don't plan to fire the turn again (pretty much shoving due to stack sizes), as it is lighting money on fire if you just c-bet and give up. What are your thoughts and what boards are you c-betting in 3-bet pots and what ones are you not?

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I imagine Fees has some elaborate mathematical justification for this but when ppl say never in poker i get skeptical.

my cbetting habits are way more related to history and flow then board texture: tho there are of course the super coordinated flops where i have no pair no draw like 63ss on T98 where its almost certainly bad to bet and give up

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If you had to choose, would you rather make a bad call or a bad fold? Or rather, what would affect you more emotionally disregarding $$$ amounts.

bad call because i gain information

sauce123 · #**123** (**permalink**) 08-07-2008, 08:31 AM

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How does calling more in the BB than the SB tie into keeping your 3betting range polarized preflop? Also, why why do you like to keep that range polarized? Thanks.

But why do you like to keep your range polarized preflop? In your vid, you stress the importance of keeping your range as wide as possible. Are you saying that since you "like" to be able to call looser in the BB, you therefore like to keep your 3betting range polarized? Sorry if I misunderstood something and thanks for taking the time to answer our questions.

Yea I agree my wording is awful. When I said "like" I meant that I think the best possible strategy barring some other read is to keep a polarized 3betting range. The basic justification is twofold: 1) in 3bet pots if you have hands like AQ+ JJ+ you are less likely to be dominated and be dominating when you flop or turn pairs and 2) the hands like AJ, 99 are likely to have my opponents late position opens dominated so I can win 2-3 comfortable bets postflop. Anyways when I say "like" to be able to call more loosely in the BB, this just relates to the fact that my range is more balanced with a polarized 3betting strategy as I can plausibly CR any board texture as my range contains hands 54ss-KQ AJ AQ....

Also when I say I "want to keep my range as wide as possible" this generally refers to specific spots where I'm trying to manipulate my opponent one way or the other. For instance preflop, if I was to keep my range "as wide as possible" I would open ATC always! But that sucks. So really what I'm doing is keeping my range moderately wide in most spots to increase the value of the bets I make with that range as a whole set. This is why we raise 22-AA AJ+ UTG and not just the blatantly profitable hands like AA-QQ: it increases the value of both the weakest and strongest extremes of our holdings by forcing our opponents to make incorrect decisions. More concretely: since 22-55 are the weakest hands we raise UTG, then might it be more profitable to just limp them and keep the pot small? No, because our smart opponents would begin to isolate us into oblivion and pound on us on any high flop, so by merging these hands with our AA-QQ range we take them from very -ev to neutral ev, and make our opens with AA-QQ get played back at with a wider range, making them go from +ev to extremely +ev. The same reasoning applies to postflop situations.