Sauce in the Cage: 7/27/08

[MongeBR]

Originally Posted by MongeBR

How did you study the game?
Favorite videos/coaches/players?
How many hours do you put per week on play/study?

Thoughts about:
- multitabling
- stats
- bankroll management
- moving up
- training sites (leggo, dc, stox, cr)
- 1on1 coaching
- HSNL vs nosebleeds
- 6max vs headsup
- euro vs us sites

quick tips on how to play against fishes?
any "a ha" moments?
interesting experiments to make while playing? Like opening any two from the button; c/r every flop, etc

fair enough, I'll try again:

Any favorite videos, or videos of some particular coach that you never miss (like cts videos)?

How many hours do you put per week on play/study?

How many tables do you usually play and why?

I noticed you just had the 4 basic pahud stats in your hud for 6max. Don't you find useful at least to have Attempt to Steal showing in your hud, or other stats?

What are your thoughts on bankroll management? If you were moving up through midstakes would you use an aggressive approach, like playing the game when you have at least 20 buyins for that level and moving down when you got to less than 20buyins? Or just use a conservative approach and get 50buyins per level, getting enough experience on each level, etc? In other words, what is the bankroll strategy you would employ to move up levels?

What do you think about each of the top4 training sites (leggo, dc, stox, cr)?

What do you think about 1on1 coaching? Would you get some 1on1 if you were moving up nowadays? why? From who?

What you think is the difference between MSNL, HSNL and nosebleeds?

Do you think it's necessary to play headsup to be good on 6max?

What are the main differences in euro and US pokersites?

quick tips on how to play against fishes?

any "a ha" moments while moving up?

interesting experiments to make while playing? Like opening any two from the button; c/r every flop, etc

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by d2themfi

what are your thoughts on HU game selection? I've heard you pretty much played anyone on your way up the stakes. I tend to sit with anyone at my normal stakes too atleast for a bit perhaps quitting them if i actually think they are good which is somewhat rare at midstakes i guess. Ive always thought its more important to not game select much and just try to improve as fast as possible but ofcourse a ton of people/regs/coaches etc seem to think otherwise. How do you go about game selecting now HU and even 6max i guess, and how did u do it when u were coming up thru msnl and lower hsnl(10/20-25/50)?


edit: how much less action did u get HU after u took cts for a bunch of buyins in his vid

HU game selection has a lot to do with BR considerations, your goals, and emotional control. to improve you are going to need to play better and better players, to test yourself, master your limit, and move up. or you don't and you can be a bumhunter. ive always been far too competitive to stand for that and become complacent.

my advice is when you are feeling on top of the world and on a rush you seek out the best regs at your level when theres no action:: and the worst regs a step up.

Originally Posted by Dustylove

First of all; great video! Me likey.

Are you gonna do any videos on prima? I see you sitting around all the time on the HU tables and rarely getting action. Yesterday I think both you and LrsLzk had a fair bit of trouble getting action, would you ever play him? Have you played that "COMEGETSOME"-dude who also always sits on like 25/50 and such?

Also, any chance that one could get smashed by you at a bit lower limits (like 3/6 or 5/10) if you're bored sometime or tries to do a HU video or whatever?

Dusty- I'll try to make a hu vid on prima but it wont be my first priority necessarily, but i'll make maybe 1/4th of my vids on prima. ill let anyone from leggo know if i need volunteers for a low limit hu vid

Originally Posted by RelaxNTakeChips

FTR, holla.

since you were playing 100 and 200nl in like february of last year (its sick how fast you moved up) and you probably still remember a lot of the limits on the way up do you think you could like give a little breakdown on what your remember like what were the hardest jumps for you and what adjustments did you have to make along the way?

the hardest jump for me was 3/6 to 5/10 and 5/10 to 10/20. i ended up moving to 10/20 the first time in august 07' and eventually lost 3/4th of my BR before moving down to 3/6 again which had been my bread and butter limit. different pros will say different things but most of it is running good/bad i think at a given limit and the improvement process is gradual with a few AHA!! moments maybe but even these are overrated i think.

Originally Posted by Anthony18

Do you think anybody can achieve big things by being a hard-worker and very dedicated?

yes, remind me to write an article about discipline in poker.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Logic

AK or QQ?

You have a 0EV decision to call a shove or fold? which and why

Biggest mistake SSNLer's make/hold them back from moving up stakes

Do you agree with Fees that playing less tables and getting more attuned to gameflow is more important than playing a ton of tables and get involved in more marginal situations?

fold, better for my mind, however there are situations where its correct to call for sure.

God there's just so many types of mistakes SSNLer's make when attempting to move up. i think they essentially fall into two categories:: BR mismanagement, and ego/discipline/mental weakness. I think successful poker players are able to be brutally honest when analyzing their own attributes, and the lack to create an accurate mental picture of your capabilities and goals is a huge roadblock for ssnlers.

you should certainly do both. ive grinded 9 tabling and ive grinded one tabling. if you feel lost when playing 8 tables, work on streamlining your decision making and breaking down the math of the game.

if you feel bored one tabling, your too lazy to discipline yourself to pick out every last piece of information out there, analyze it, and use it to make better decisions. playing fewer tables isn't a contest to see how many pots you can be in profitable, its a contest to get as close to perfect play as you can.

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by MongeBR

fair enough, I'll try again:

Any favorite videos, or videos of some particular coach that you never miss (like cts videos)?

How many hours do you put per week on play/study?

How many tables do you usually play and why?

I noticed you just had the 4 basic pahud stats in your hud for 6max. Don't you find useful at least to have Attempt to Steal showing in your hud, or other stats?

What are your thoughts on bankroll management? If you were moving up through midstakes would you use an aggressive approach, like playing the game when you have at least 20 buyins for that level and moving down when you got to less than 20buyins? Or just use a conservative approach and get 50buyins per level, getting enough experience on each level, etc? In other words, what is the bankroll strategy you would employ to move up levels?

What do you think about each of the top4 training sites (leggo, dc, stox, cr)?

What do you think about 1on1 coaching? Would you get some 1on1 if you were moving up nowadays? why? From who?

What you think is the difference between MSNL, HSNL and nosebleeds?

Do you think it's necessary to play headsup to be good on 6max?

What are the main differences in euro and US pokersites?

quick tips on how to play against fishes?

any "a ha" moments while moving up?

interesting experiments to make while playing? Like opening any two from the button; c/r every flop, etc

1) i think CTS videos have to be my alltime favorite, but i rarely watch videos anymore.

2) depends

3) i know what all the regulars are opening from each position almost exactly preflop

4) BR management is all about your tolerance for risk and how good you are at moving down. also, having friends capable of staking you and other financial investments/responsibilites/bills. if you are a pro with a family id have 200 bi before moving up. if you are still in high school id have 20.

5) leggo definitely is the best nlh cash game resource, which coincidentally is the most profitable game on the internet right now. all of the other sites have a lot to offer as well and i am a member of all of them, and i wouldnt discourage you from checking them out.

6) i still have a coach! and it helps a ton. our own bobbofitos is a great coach, as are all of the leggo pros, i just mention Rob cause we have talked a ton of poker. My other word on coaching is i would generally get coaching from a coach who is 1-3 limits higher than you on the "ladder" of nlh play. they will be less removed from the play of regulars at your level and they will give you more applicable information for your $$$/hr.

7) cliche, but better regulars, less fish, more variance.

8) knowing the basics is probably necessary, but a ton of the best 6max grinders rarely play hu.

9) aggression, europeans are generally more loose, bluff more, and fold less.

10) value bet, fold when they CR the turn, semi bluff effectively, get to sd and see what level they are on:: how they think

11) in terms of experiments, find something you aren't sure you are good at, and then throw out an experiment to test yourself. raising 100% of btns is good. checking every flop in 3bet pots is fun. min raising pre is fun. limping ur whole range utg or in the sb is also. its pretty endless. the other day i played a 4tabling match with a student hu, and to show him some nonstandard strategies i checked back every flop in position, never 4bet, never 3bet oop preflop. and i balanced those ranges without losing very much value in my strategy.


GL,

Ben

[pokertard]

In a 24 hour period what is the most you were ever up and down? What limit and HU, 6max or full.

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by pokertard

In a 24 hour period what is the most you were ever up and down? What limit and HU, 6max or full.

ive had multiple 200k+ swings during sessions...

probably around 150k up and down in a 24hr period, i never quit when ahead unless im too tired to play well, and i certainly make quitting mistakes and play too much when stuck, but often its because im in an extremely good hu game at very high stakes and i set a 3 bi stop loss or something

[jaymesbond]

1) Youve just had 3 losing sessions in a row...what now?? Different mental preperations or just trust ur game?

2) How many fpps do you have on pstars

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by jaymesbond

1) Youve just had 3 losing sessions in a row...what now?? Different mental preperations or just trust ur game?

2) How many fpps do you have on pstars

1) i hear durrr hand 4 once!

2) 2567

[RelaxNTakeChips]

sickest bluff?

sickest hero call?

what kind of car do you drive?

whats the longest session youve ever played?

who wins heads up...
you vs aejones
you vs gabe
you vs durrr

[sauce123]

Originally Posted by RelaxNTakeChips

sickest bluff?

sickest hero call?

what kind of car do you drive?

whats the longest session youve ever played?

who wins heads up...
you vs aejones
you vs gabe
you vs durrr

this has gotta be up there:

Hold'em - 3:36:51 ET - 2008/03/03
Seat 1: jigga__man6 ($2,000)
Seat 2: PrtectYaNeck ($9,500)
jigga__man6 posts the small blind of $10
PrtectYaNeck posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PrtectYaNeck [9s Qs]
jigga__man6 raises to $60
PrtectYaNeck calls $40
*** FLOP *** [5c 7d Ad]
PrtectYaNeck checks
jigga__man6 bets $100
PrtectYaNeck raises to $315
jigga__man6 has 15 seconds left to act
jigga__man6 calls $215
*** TURN *** [5c 7d Ad] [7c]
PrtectYaNeck checks
jigga__man6 has 15 seconds left to act
jigga__man6 bets $600
PrtectYaNeck has 15 seconds left to act
PrtectYaNeck has requested TIME
PrtectYaNeck calls $600
*** RIVER *** [5c 7d Ad 7c] [6s]
PrtectYaNeck checks
jigga__man6 has 15 seconds left to act
jigga__man6 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jigga__man6 shows [8s Qd] a pair of Sevens
PrtectYaNeck shows [9s Qs] a pair of Sevens
PrtectYaNeck wins the pot ($1,949.50) with a pair of Sevens
jigga__man6 adds $975
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,950 | Rake $0.50
Board: [5c 7d Ad 7c 6s]
Seat 1: jigga__man6 (small blind) showed [8s Qd] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 2: PrtectYaNeck (big blind) showed [9s Qs] and won ($1,949.50) with a pair of Sevens




I drive a toyota rav4

longest sesh- maybe 50 hours?


i think its extremely obvious id own all of them hu at once

[Dustylove]

Do you feel that a mid stakes player will learn more from a video that plays on his stakes or a couple of stakes higher, assuming the quality is about the same?