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Old 03-05-2010, 06:06 AM
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Default How is range affected by betting?

Hey Guys,

I'm new to LeggoPoker and am a very basic thinker. I have been watching the videos to try and learn how to think about the game. I tried to apply this to a hand I played in my last heads up sng. It was a $5 knockout tournament in the second round. I don't know much about my opponent, except that he limps from the sb every pot and I watched the end of his last round and he 3bet all in into a 10bb pot when his opponent was about 20bb deep with a weak ace.

My questions centre around the range my opponent and I are representing on the turn, whether they are correct and if not, then at which betting stage should I be eliminating certain hands from his/my range. (This may be basic for most of you, but I am just learning.)

This hand occurred about 10 hands into the round.

Poker Stars, $5 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Tournament, 20/40 Blinds, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: 3,560
Hero (BB): 2,440

Pre-Flop: (60) A 2 dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN calls 20, Hero checks

Flop: (80) 6 3 A (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 40, Hero raises to 120, BTN raises to 360, Hero calls 240

Turn: (800) 7 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 320, Hero raises to 2,040 and is All-In, BTN calls 1,720

River: (4,880) 9 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 4,880 Pot
BTN showed 6 A and WON 4,880 (+2,460 NET)
Hero showed A 2 and LOST (-2,400 NET)

Myself:
I thought this was a good board to go all in on as I could be representing:
- made flush
- flush draw
- straight
- striaght draw with flush draw
- top pair
- trips

Opponent:
Given the low stakes and the looseness I perceived in my opponent:
- top pair
- king high, KQ, KJ, KT
- pair of sixes
- pairs sevens through kings
- straight
- flush
- air on flop and hit seven
- air on turn

The problem with what I have listed above, is that they seem like pretty much the entire spectrum of what our holdings could be in a vacuum. But there was plenty of betting going on, and I would like to know how that betting narrows down our ranges, in stages if possible?
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:35 AM
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his range on flop: A3+ maybe AT-Ak depending and some air, his range on turn all of those. when you raise you fold air, get called by better - > call

id c/c or lead flop and as played just fold to the 3b because our hand isnt that big and it looks like he wants stacks in.
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Old 03-11-2010, 01:00 PM
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id c/c or lead flop and as played just fold to the 3b because our hand isnt that big and it looks like he wants stacks in.
I think you this is the best play

After he 3bets you on the flop, you're usually not doing too well with TP-lowest kicker. In a limped pot i'd probably just ch/c 3 streets as a bluff catch unless the board runs out terrible. You are overplaying your hand by c/ring all in on the turn imo.

If you want an idea of his range, I dunno, I think you need a bit more information to just figure out his range postflop. However, to give you a rough idea, I'd imagine that his range (my assumption based on a decent player would be something like...)

Pre: any 2
Flop: after 1st bet - air/pairs/draws, after he 3bets you: pairs/nut FDs/two pairs/sets/hands that can stack off here
Turn: well he doesn't check behind so his hand is still pretty strong, even though his betsizing is small
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Old 03-14-2010, 12:54 AM
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Since he limps every button I wouldn't c/r an A. If he raised sometimes, then I'd expect himi to raise Ax preflop almost always, except slowplayed AK/AQs. Thus if he doesn't have Ax in his pf range it's a good spot to c/r because he's calling with any pair, draw and we don't mind playing a slightly big pot.

But given he can have any 2, i think you maximize value by calling flop and letting him keep betting. Keep the pot size under control and let him keep bluffing. THere are basically NO scare cards to our hand, because of Ad and the dry board texture. Thus we're happy calling a normal bet on any turn. Our hand is also not vulnerable to free cards. If he checks turn then easy valuebet on the river. Probably around 1/2 pot to make sure any pair or K high calls.

As played, the 3-bet is very strong. I'd just fold to his 3-bet. He's representing a huge hand (you can't discount AK/AQ either since he always limps). Calling isn't terrible with the plan of folding on the turn, except the diamond. Since he bet so small I'd just take the odds and check/fold the river. Very unlikely he's folding a better hand on the turn and even more unlikely you get bluffed on the river.
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