The HUNL Stats Thread!

[d2themfi]

Originally Posted by siac0

Cool thread, any feedback on the below would be awesome and appreciated.

A couple of stats I had never looked at before such as the 'River Fold vs Cbet', mine looks very low? I'm also particularly interested on thoughts on 4bet and 3bet call% as I dont know what is the norm for HU.

Hands are all 100nl HU hands played this year. I've got a bigger sample but thought only hands from this year would be best.

For preflop I would try to work on opening up your range from the big blind particularly for flat calling. 22/11 is really pretty nitty from the big blind. Ofcourse if you are mostly playing people with <60% pfr from the btn, then your numbers make sense, but otherwise they are on the tight side. Your 4bet % is pretty damn high. I would consider anything over 10 to be pretty high. AQ+,99+ is 5% of hands, so if you were consistently 4bet/calling that range, then youd still be 4bet bluffing over half the time you are 4betting, which at 100bbs is definitely massively exploitable by anyone aware. I would say in general try to tighten up vs 3bets a bit. You are defending roughly 40% of all hands to 3bets which is pretty high, esp considering most of the competition at 100nl is not 3betting more than 15%

Postflop- you river fold to cbet is really low. Turn looks okay, and Id like to see your flop fold to cbet. Its possible you are folding too often on the flop, then because you have a very tight range on the river you rarely fold. Its also possible this is a function of having a really tight flat calling range preflop, which I addressed. Id guess if you loosened up a bit preflop, your numbers would look more normal, and your postflo0p play would be a bit more balanced(right now it would seem dumb to ever 3barrel bluff you in general)

[siac0]

Thanks for the excellent reply d2themfi, I will make some changes on my game based around your comments.

I had accidently left off the Flop fold vs Cbet, those stats by position are: Flop fold vs cbet is 44.9% on the sb and 53.2% on the bb. Does that sound okay?

Also, if using a HUD, what stats do you find most important to display on opponents in HU matches?

[d2themfi]

Originally Posted by thejumpoff

I'm not really a stats person but my down hill red line is certainly not sexy.
I'm also not double barreling enough.

What else looks wrong?

Can you guys post a good HU Hud or so please?

d2themfi, what are some of the filters you use on a regular basis to analyze your HU game?

yea I would definitely try to barrel the turn more often both for value and semibluff/bluffs. Definitely going to help your red line

You are also folding really often IP to cbets in 3bet pots at 47%. Think about this. If villian bets 2/3 pot on the flop after 3betting he needs you to fold 40% of the time to show an automatic profit with any 2 he 3bet. If you are folding 47% of the time in 3bet pots on the flop you are leeaving urself wide open here. Try to float a bit more, possibly bluff raise more(although dont go overboard here, esp at 100bbs deep). It also might be a function of misplaying preflop. If your opponents are 3betting pretty tight ranges, say 12% of hands, but you are calling with roughly 30% of hands(and also 4betting big pairs) then you are in a spot where his range is so much more nutted than yours that it is indeed correct to fold a lot of flops. But if you had made more correct folds preflop, you could play a tighter more nutted range postflop and be less open to exploitation. It looks like you are playing 50nl, and likely dont face too many super aggro 3bettors, so maybe try to tighten up to 3bets a bit except vs maniacs

Ill post my hud and filter stuff in my next post

[d2themfi]

Originally Posted by siac0

Thanks for the excellent reply d2themfi, I will make some changes on my game based around your comments.

I had accidently left off the Flop fold vs Cbet, those stats by position are: Flop fold vs cbet is 44.9% on the sb and 53.2% on the bb. Does that sound okay?

Also, if using a HUD, what stats do you find most important to display on opponents in HU matches?

hey,

check folding 53.2% of the time in the big blind after flatting preflop is waay way too much. It should almost certainly be below 40%. What this is likely causing you to do is head into turns and rivers with much narrower ranges, allowing you to not fold very often on the turn or river.

This can be a good adjustment to make vs people who are super aggressive with 3 barreling, but as a standard, your flop/turn/river numbers should be more similar

my hud is



SB raise first / SB Limp
Fold BB to steal/ BB Call open
3bet Fold/ to 3bet/ 4bet/ Fold to 4bet
Flop 3bet pot Cbet / Fold to Flop cbet 3bet pot
Flop raised pot Cbet/ Turn cbet/ River cbet
Raise flop Cbet raised pot / Fold to flop cbet raised pot / Fold to turn cbet/ Bet vs missed Flop Cbet oop
Donk bet flop / Fold donk bet to raise flop/ Fold to donk bet Flop


As far as filters, you can do basically anything. recently Ive been getting into using the board texture tab and the hand value tab. Looking at stuff like how much money Ive made/lost cbetting bottom pairs on the flop etc. you can be really creative the bigger the sample you have

[Al_Kohoul]

Originally Posted by d2themfi

my hud is

SB raise first / SB Limp
Fold BB to steal/ BB Call open
3bet /Fold to 3bet/ 4bet/ Fold to 4bet
Flop 3bet pot Cbet / Fold to Flop cbet 3bet pot
Flop raised pot Cbet/ Turn cbet/ River cbet
Raise flop Cbet raised pot / Fold to flop cbet raised pot / Fold to turn cbet/ Bet vs missed Flop Cbet oop
Donk bet flop / Fold donk bet to raise flop/ Fold to donk bet Flop

I've got Aggression Factors on Flop, Turn and River in my HUD... Do you think they are kinda useless?
Would something similar be good also in 6max, instead of AF?

[thejumpoff]

Originally Posted by d2themfi

yea I would definitely try to barrel the turn more often both for value and semibluff/bluffs. Definitely going to help your red line

You are also folding really often IP to cbets in 3bet pots at 47%. Think about this. If villian bets 2/3 pot on the flop after 3betting he needs you to fold 40% of the time to show an automatic profit with any 2 he 3bet. If you are folding 47% of the time in 3bet pots on the flop you are leeaving urself wide open here. Try to float a bit more, possibly bluff raise more(although dont go overboard here, esp at 100bbs deep). It also might be a function of misplaying preflop. If your opponents are 3betting pretty tight ranges, say 12% of hands, but you are calling with roughly 30% of hands(and also 4betting big pairs) then you are in a spot where his range is so much more nutted than yours that it is indeed correct to fold a lot of flops. But if you had made more correct folds preflop, you could play a tighter more nutted range postflop and be less open to exploitation. It looks like you are playing 50nl, and likely dont face too many super aggro 3bettors, so maybe try to tighten up to 3bets a bit except vs maniacs

Ill post my hud and filter stuff in my next post

I filtered those 3bet pots where I fold post. I saw those were mostly in min3bet pots and I realized I didn't take advantage of board texture. Paired board + FD, low semi connected boards etc.
Boards I could easily play back at (especially given their stats, high cbets in 3bet pots).
I was just playing my cards in those spots. I need to fight more for those smaller pots.

Thanks for analyzing my stats. Filters are powerful stuff.

[d2themfi]

Originally Posted by Al_Kohoul

I've got Aggression Factors on Flop, Turn and River in my HUD... Do you think they are kinda useless?
Would something similar be good also in 6max, instead of AF?

I havent quite figured out my 6max hud yet, partly because there isnt as much room for stats

As far as AF, some people like to use it. I have never really found it that useful, esp when I can just list out all the stats that comprise AF to get a more exact reading, such as c/r flops, turn cbet, etc

[azazel777]

HU stats mainly nl 50 PartyPoker.

[don caballero]

yo azazel, post your stats using the "position" report rather than the "winnings summary" report

[d2themfi]

yea Azazel, re read the OP, id much rather look at your position stats with the the ones I listed