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Old 01-28-2012, 03:18 PM
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Default NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

5th hand of the match or so,
villain is 2tabling from germany and the only thing noteworthy is a hand where I 3bet AQ vs his KT, cbet, call on AJx 2tone - chk, chk on a blank J - bet, call a blank K

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
($49.75)
Hero ($71.80)

Dealt to Hero 5 7

Hero raises to $1.25, calls $0.75

FLOP ($2.50) 5 7 2

checks, Hero bets $1.80, calls $1.80

TURN ($6.10) 5 7 2 K

checks, Hero bets $5, raises to $16, Hero ?

shove, reclick, calldown, call turn/fold river, maybe even fold now, to some degree everything seems reasonable. I obviously can't tell how often he'd float and valuec/r Kx like that, probably rarely but more often than never, so except some crazy bluffs and/or some other weird play with a worse hand I don't see that much I'm ahead of. At the same time, he's repping sets, K7/5/2s and maybe some K7/5/2o if he's really loose.
Didn't see much merit in raising right there because just calling down achieves the same vs his value range (which is worse than my hand) and he still has a chance to bluff on the river + there are really no scare cards.
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

Disclaimer: Coming from mostly a six max background, I am certainly a noob when it comes to HU play.

As you mentioned most options for future streets sound reasonable. Although, my first thought would be to go a head and shovel in it.

I strongly agree calling turn and river depending on what card the river brings and what his action/bet size is. We keep his value range and we allow him to be overly aggressive with worse. Calling IMO seems best because villain does not rep much and he can easily be value owning him self.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:33 PM
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Default Re: NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

This looks so bluffy to me I go call call blindly. I'm not thrilled if the river's like a 6 but he's already shown he turns made hands into bluffs where it makes zero sense.
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Old 01-29-2012, 06:19 AM
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This looks so bluffy to me I go call call blindly. I'm not thrilled if the river's like a 6 but he's already shown he turns made hands into bluffs where it makes zero sense.
I think you misread the action from my history hand. I'm OOP in a 3bet pot so he called my cbet on the flop, checked back K high on this paired turn and called a river bet with a pair of kings.

So if you weight his range mostly towards bluffs in the initial hand would you then call down any bluffcatcher, so at least 5x and better, maybe even worse hands although he could turn some better pairs into a bluff then.
The problem I have with this is that he has a very narrow bluffing range unless he's superloose pre and/or is capable of turning SDvalue into a bluff on a card that's excellent for my range.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:08 PM
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Default Re: NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

Call/call. really hard for him to have us beat. He has to have 22 exactly as we have blockers to 55/77 obv or he has binked some weird Kx 2 pair cos they were soooooted.
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

ah ok I get first hand now. Yeah I still go call call blindly here. Never folding this hand this early in a hu match. You get awesome info from call call too.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:53 AM
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Default Re: NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

ok lets do one more hand then

I called him down, he had 22 :*(
The following is 2 hands later.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
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($98.75)
Hero ($50.25)

Dealt to Hero J 2

Hero raises to $1.25, calls $0.75

FLOP ($2.50) Q K 3

checks, Hero bets $2, calls $2

TURN ($6.50) Q K 3 J

checks, Hero ?

Looks like a spot where I should giveup or fire 3. The sample size is of course tiny but so far he has already 3bet me twice over 4 BTNs. A small indication that he might be value 3betting most 2pair hands on this board to merge his range a little bit. I don't think he'll ever fold a king unless the board runs out scary for him and even then he might be bad enough to just call without much thought. OTOH I have tons of equity and might fold out a lot of hands with a 3rd barrel (Qx and worse pairs, marginal pair+draw hands). I'm also repping the nuts/a very strong hand very well with this line.
I just don't think a pair of jacks has enough SDvalue and even if it does, he might just bluff his worse missed hearts on the river and I can't call because his valuebetting range is too wide.
Are you okay with betting all streets here even after I've lost this huge pot before?
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: NL50: weak 2p facing c/c, c/r

You'll only fold some Qx hands and prolly take 3 to do it given he may think you are tilting from the 5d7h hand. But checking is giving away the initiative with a weak hand so I prefer to bet.

Also, maybe look to bet flop for an amount based on board texture as 1.80 into 2 on a very dry board and $2 into $2.50 on a wet one just seems odd to me. I would have bet $1.50ish on the first and closer to full pot on the second.
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