Playing/adjusting against bad players who limp btn

[Barrin6]

Just finished a session and this is one of the opponents I'm sadly having trouble against. Villain here I am going to describe is really bad. Limp/calls with alot of his range, 50vpip+. Peels flops like crazy, call double barrels with 2nd pair. Beating this villain should not prove difficult when I have the button, but oop, I have some problems.

So anyways, he limps alot of buttons, and the way I adjust is, don't raise pf with stuff like suited connectors or stuff like 78s,Q9s,A6o,A3s (hands where I usually raise his button limp but don't). My intentions are to keep the pots small oop since he does like to peel flops really light.

But yea, onto the point, If he's going to be open limping button and have me just playing passively/str8 forward with hands that have absolutely no value where I'm going to be c/fing most of the time, wouldn't he be making +EV plays by just open limping button and betting flop and turn when I check to him? It's his whole range against mine, and he's taking the initiative to take the pot down. I tried readjusting by potting a limped pot and sometimes 2 barreling but I kind of find that spewy since he even calls down even more light since the pot is smaller.

I thought about just raising his limps really light, but then again, I'm getting reversed own so bad if I do since I think my c-bets are -EV considering how he calls down so ****ing light.

So right now my strategy is just to let him open limp his junk hands, and make no effort to pot the flop when I whiff on a dry board. Seems really weak to me, or is this the only way I'm going to beat this guy? I guess as long as I start raising with good hands on the button, cbet only with draws and good hands, I should start rolling in dough.

Sorry for the rant, I just kind of spew all my thoughts in this post instead of spewing it at the tables. I keep thinking of what game plan would be +EV and -EV in my overall game play oop.

I probably answered my own question in this post. But if there's anything else I should be thinking of, please post.

thanks,
Barrin6

[Barrin6]

Btw you guys should make some heads up cash game videos. I might make one after finals are done.

[MezmerizePLZ]

against players like this, i'd raise alot of hands that flop well from the SB or BB, hands like 9To, JTo, 89s, etc, maybe c-bet a little less, dont be afraid to c/f a few flops, but start VBing a little thiner than you normally would. all of this is probably harder than it seems to do it with good consistency though

[snakekilla88]

I will start to raise 4-6XBB when they limp button w/ hands like 78+. Just try to be selective and agressive when you do get sick of the nonstop button limping. If he is really calling down that much (especially 2nd barrels), then you should be able to value own him pretty hard.

A lot of HU grinders I hate playing against limp the button. I sometimes have to quit some opponents at lower stakes because its not even worth playing tons of small ball. I was watching ADZ play dracospinner HU, who is a super agressive HU player. Draco told ADZ if he limped the buton again that he would never play him again. It has a ton of merit and it is a great play to have in your arsenal especially for frequent 3bettors. Most players just get frustrated and dont adjust very well.

[Barrin6]

Yea that's what pisses me off. These type of opponents creates a small balling situation while the rake is just killling us.

[f925]

i'm always playing against these type of players who limp the button then min bet the flop with their entire range. I just play aggro IP an let them play small pots when they have position. After a 50-100 hands of playing solid they usually go on tilt and start doing silly things.

[Sheetah]

I think the patience is the key. I've been in spots like this and had same adjusting problems till it 'clicked'. Down here at nl50 I've played tons of villains like this and my Grand Strategy is:

- play uber straightforward - if he is not adjusting to my aggression then I'm adjusting to his any two (ex. wagering what are my odds of having the best hand w/ Q-high against any2)
- value bet anything made (the stronger the hand the more you bet)
- patiently c/f till I get cards
- if they fold when you get cards that's fine, they had nothing, so be it - sooner or later you'll get good enough hand against his weaker made and THIS is your goal (but you'll have to wait a little)
- discipline to not deviate from ^^^

... my guess is you were running a little cold and hit some made vs better made hands which created an aura of some tough to exploit strategy. With a little patience you'll learn to love those tards (I do).

[oversbetshoving]

if the issue is them min betting any flop in pos you should start c/r any flop that you would have bet if you had been in position in the hand because their min bet is basically like them checking to you

[Isura]

This would be my dream. You get to play a minimally sized pot whenever you're OOP, what's the problem?? Only raise stuff OOP for value, but work on picking up some pots in limped pots. You are probably not playing well enough in limped pots.

- play more passively (c/c) with disguised draws (gutshots, 3rd pair etc) since he will prob fire turns a lot, and you can build the pot there by c/r when you hit. also you can c/r bluff some turns and don't mind getting 3-bet with small draws
- c/r bluff him on the flop with obvious draws (A-high overcards, flush draws etc) and also start c/r flops with some strong hands (depends on board texture of course)
- go for flop or turn c/r with top pair+ type hands. If he's floating, then you can build pots on the turn.
- also can bet out with obvious draws and plan to either fire multiple barrels or better, to c/r the turn and kill his random floats
- fine to c/f complete misses on coordinated boards, and also do some 'light' c/c on the flop until he starts firing turns more often

[etown]

Originally Posted by Isura

This would be my dream.

i aggree with isura
someone that wants to allow you to play small pot oop so let him
and cr the hell out of him with your entire range
he wont know how to adjust to this at all