1k nl hu deep with QQ in 4b pot

[jkim54]

I don't play HU really and have limited experience deep.

Villain is a sucky reg and plays pretty nitty/weird hu (opens only 55% of btn's). he 3bets quite low %, but hardly folds to 4bets. He is overall pretty passive, but has a lot of upfront aggression (barreling 2 streets after raising pre, c/r flop bet turn and give up) .

He prob views me as pretty laggy/maniacal and I was 4betting with these stacks very very often.

the flow of the match has been him getting up on me big in a few suckout/cooler spots. I clawed back and have been gaining momentum.


I really don't know how great of a play this is tbh. my justification for raising turn was that i thought he would be calling with some draws. I thought he wouldn't fire on rivers if he missed when i just call. I dont take him for the type to be rebluffing over me much. Also thought he could just have like 88 or something that decides to bet when i dont cbet.

I don't really play hu or deep, but what do u guys think about pf? I initially thought it would be an obvious 4bet for value with QQ when I'm 4b so much just to balance out, but once we are 300bb deep should I just add QQ to my 3bet calling range, and instead bluffcatch him since he likes to barrel with initiative?

BB: $3,081 (308.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $2,905.19 (290.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $80, Hero raises to $210, BB calls $130

Flop: ($420) 5 6 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($420) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $280, Hero raises to $660,

[simon2312]

turn is simply a call, that raise seems weird (even reading your reasoning)

prefop 4bet seems mandatory to me as I want to 4b a wide range with these stacksizes.

[jkim54]

Yeah it seems absurd to not view QQ as a value hand to 4bet this deep with position, but i just thought I am never gonna be getting GREAT value with QQ this deep on flop/turn/river. Any time I get a lot of play back at me its gonna be hard really to like where I stand with just QQ. Adding QQ to my 3b calling range also strengthens my 3b calling range.

I guess someone would say that if im not 4betting QQ for value here, what am I 4betting then? Well, to answer that, I feel a hand like QJs would be a hand I would consider part of my 4betting value range. Just thinking about how hands play out postflop when we are this deep, QQ really has far less value as a premium pair.

obviously turn call is "standard", but what is the reason why u prefer calling here and how it is better than my small raise?

[aejones]

pre is standard (calling is fine too, but if the dynamic is as you say it is then a 3-bet is clearly best), i don't mind your justification for the turn. i don't love it, but you might actually get called by worse made hands and draws, you can get credit for a 5 (or maybe even KKK) so i don't think you get 3-bet bluffed too often, and it's not like im happy about going call/call anyways. truthfully i think i just bet the flop often, i doubt we get CR'd very much and we have the best hand a lot.

[shootaa]

So if you cbet flop, you have AK or air here?

[The_End]

You have to be really sure he never does anything funny in order to get away with the raise. Most of the times it won't cause a problem, but the time it does it's immediately a huge problem.

If I were him I would most likely put you on a K8 type of hand that plays his hand the way you did for your reasoning. Not sure how I would react with both bluffs and valuehands though.

@Shoota:
That seems like a wrong conclusion. I believe the optimal strategy on the flop with QQ would be some mixture of betting and checking. Also, your reasoning goes both ways. If you always bet your made hands then you're left with an extremely weak checking range

[yazzel]

I dont like your turn raise. Without any history he ll never put you on air when you check back this flop, so I dont expect him to call you light with 88 or something. Btw with QQ you block 6 combos of his KQ, and he should not be 3betting hands like KJo this deep. So that gives you a lot of fold equity w your turn raise (but doesnt accomplish much), but make your hand the perfect candidate to call down. That said I'm cbetting the flop most of the time against a competent player

[aejones]

Originally Posted by The_End

@Shoota:
That seems like a wrong conclusion. I believe the optimal strategy on the flop with QQ would be some mixture of betting and checking. Also, your reasoning goes both ways. If you always bet your made hands then you're left with an extremely weak checking range

and you'd rather have AK than QQ when you check, technically

[FabledHero]

So you say your opponent is really nitty then go and raise his bet repping a ton of strength and scaring him so only better probably calls a lot. Also another reason why the turn raise sucks is there's no way you can profitably vbet river. So call turn, call river and let him possibly bluff is way better.

[jkim54]

Originally Posted by shootaa

So if you cbet flop, you have AK or air here?

I think others have stated, but my strategy obviously involves a mix of both check and beting QQ here.

I probably also cbet all my value hands and also more likely to cbet a 1 pair hand that isnt a pocket pair. Something like A5 I can see myself cbetting (as well as checking) just because it has the potential to improve on later streets and I feel comfortable getting more bets in. Also betting pair+draw, draws, and lots of other Kx type of hands.

i feel like some of the other posts itt are not really applicable or know whats going on.


i guess everyone hates doing non-standard plays, but once i check flop, this is probably better than going call call right? if you are in his shoes, dont u think it would put u in an awkward spot with a ton of your range? i know its a disaster when i get 3b bluffd off this hand, but the way stack sizes were, it seemed unlikely.