2knl turn spot

[JoinMyStack]

Hey guys,

Playing against a big winner who plays mostly heads up, havent played too much together. Stacked him earlier in a reraised pot with overpair vs. top pair. I later got the read that he basically doenst fold to reraises in position, got the read after I played this hand though otherwise obviously wouldnt have 3bet 57s.
I thought I had some fold equity with my reraise because I had been rather tight and showed down KK last time I reraised him, think I have to bet/fold the flop. Having some trouble finding the optimal play with my pair+flushdraw on the turn here. I think he will jam alot over my turn bet here.

so should I

- shove
- bet a smallish amount like 400$ (think this is by far the worst option)
- bet a commiting amount like 600$ to price myself in, potentially make him fold a better pair
- checkraise all in

Poker Stars, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $1,160
UTG: $2,000
CO: $2,227
BTN: $2,180
Hero (SB): $4,690

Pre-Flop: 5d 7d dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, CO raises to $60, BTN folds, Hero raises to $210, BB folds, CO calls $150

Flop: ($440) Ks 7s 8d (2 Players)
Hero bets $235, CO calls $235

Turn: ($910) Td (2 Players)
Hero ?

[domir]

why do you think betting small is the worst and what would you do with 88/AK/KQ/J9/AJ/AQ/naked FD ?

Why would you change your play with this hand compared to those above? If it is the case that balance doesn't matter etc... I would propably bet close to pot and commit myself.

Otherwise I would bet 470 or c/r all in.

[petenilson]

Originally Posted by domir

why do you think betting small is the worst and what would you do with 88/AK/KQ/J9/AJ/AQ/naked FD ?

Why would you change your play with this hand compared to those above? If it is the case that balance doesn't matter etc... I would propably bet close to pot and commit myself.

Otherwise I would bet 470 or c/r all in.

Betting small is bad because we encourage villain to semi bluff with a wider range and still dont have the equity to call a shove. I havnt done the stove but we are gonna need to have something like 30% equity vs a range of better pairs and straight draws and strong hands which I dont feel is enough.

I think just bet big and make it look like you are never folding (which you wont be) and he might fold some hands that were 2nd pair and the flop and are now 3rd pair on the turn.

I dont like the other option of CRAI unless I have some idea of his frequency of betting the turn when checked to. If he is ultra lag tard and not folding pre I can expect him to be floating the flop with a wide range here but we dont know for sure what hands he is betting and which hands he is checking back.

Seems like a tricky spot for sure.

[yazzel]

I think that c/raising is bad cause he has air really rarely on this board. I expect him to check back the turn a lot and betting a range mostly composed of hands w sdv that he'll not fold to a jam.
I don't expect him to shove that light on the turn if we bet small. I think that we look strong when we bet here given that this turn is good for his range, and even if we can have hands like AJ or AQ here a decent amount I expect him to call more often that shove with his pair + draws type hands, esp because we've been playing tight.
Also, I think we have to shove almost any river if we decide to bet this turn given that we get called by pair + draws so often. Yes it sucks when we get shoved on on the turn, but the more he is gonna shove, the more he is gonna fold on rivers (cause his call call range is so weak), unless he is a huge station but we've been pretty tight on 3bet so far so I don't expect to get hero called.

edit : ofc if you expect him to shove any pair + draw on the turn betting big is better, but I would think in his shoes that shoving the turn with 89s is spewy against a tight 3better.

[aejones]

bet $450 or something, you're still committed (shrug call/good for image/ahead more than you think), and you're not burning money by changing your bet sizing too much-- i would just bet this amount with my entire range. it sets up stacks to be ~2/3 pot probably on the river too, which is good (if you bet $600 and he just calls, you have a completely retarded river situation set up).

check raising sucks because, imo, he's almost never bet folding (i can't think of a single hand). check-calling is clearly better than check-raising for that reason. if you want to check-call/check-decide i can't fault you, but you'll make some bad decisions and since this is near the top of the spectrum of draws on this board (there ARE some draws you'll have to bet-fold, why not be pleased to bet-call this one?) i would be real happy just putting money in with it oop and keeping the lead.

[simon2312]

I dont feel like the turn is the most interesting street here tbh, I'd just bet $480 and meh-call a shove. Its a bit simple I guess but you have a pair + FD in a 3b pot so that qualifies for that turn-action.

I think a river blank is more interesting, given that he has a decent amount of T9s etc. The most interesting question to me is which rivers we are NOT shoving..