5/10: 4bet pot, a weird spot....

[baba]

This hand occurred on one of microgamings anonymous tables, so reads on players are a little limited. My impression of the player is he is probably a bad reg that seems overly keen to win every hand. I'd seen him raise cbets twice (single raised pots) on dry flops and fold to a CIB (once verus me) in the last 3 or 4 orbits.

Thoughts on shoving over his raise? Spewy or ok? I dont need much F.E.

Prima Network $1000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1613441
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CO: $990.00
Hero (BTN): $2754.00
SB: $1058.00
BB: $1442.50
UTG: $1015.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BTN with 9 A
2 folds, Hero raises to $25, SB raises to $85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $200, SB calls $115

Flop: ($410.00) 8 3 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $135.00, SB raises to $280 HERO.....

[aejones]

readless, you might just run into something awesome here. i don't love it, but i am still not particularly convinced that he actually HAS something awesome. really awkward spot. checking the flop would be okay. hmmmmmmmmmm. goofy hand.

[sauce123]

shoving is your worst option

[jkim54]

dumb spot, but call is prob best. ur getting an amazing price and u are in position.

Any 2,4,6 or 7 on turn brings u a gutshot and u have the back door nut flush draw. call turn and reevaluate. hopefully he gives up with a pure bluff and c/f turn, but even if he takes a weird line to c/c with a value hand we will have at least a little bit of ev in case we need to suck out.

[JamesMa]

Jkim I dont think there's room to call on the turn and still have chips for the river... pot on turn is $1000 I believe. I agree w/ sauce in that you are either going to want to hero call down here or just muckem depending on reads.

[vitti]

Originally Posted by sauce123

shoving is your worst option

why?

villian folds a few better hands (AJ/AQ - in my experience they call 4bets a lot with it oop)
if villian folds his KQ it's fine (still got outs)

and even again KK we got like 20% (we need like 34%), but imo he will fold alot (esp. given the read he raise/folds a ton - tho that wasn't in a 4bet pot)

[irunlucky]

Originally Posted by vitti

why?

villian folds a few better hands (AJ/AQ - in my experience they call 4bets a lot with it oop)
if villian folds his KQ it's fine (still got outs)

and even again KK we got like 20% (we need like 34%), but imo he will fold alot (esp. given the read he raise/folds a ton - tho that wasn't in a 4bet pot)

I would think that if AJ or AQ are raising it's to raise call not to raise fold or else I would probably expect them to flat the flop.