Facing a push on the river (call range)

[LouisLouis]

Haven't seen villain before, so far he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's fishy. So I assume he knows what he's doing. Other than that I don't have a whole lot to go by.

BTN: $2,000
SB: $5,935.50
BB: $2,333
UTG: $6,894.70

Pre-Flop: X,Y

Flop: ($0) 3 J T (2 Players)
SB bets $100, BB calls $100

Turn: ($340) 4 (2 Players)
SB bets $250, BB calls $250

River: ($840) 8 (2 Players)
SB bets $630, BB raises to $1,893, SB ?

What's your calling range in this spot?

[Faramir]

Without history its pretty nasty.
You can still have a nutted range, and should at least consider slowing without a great hand. I think he can have J8 and T8 in the bottom of his shoving range here (for value) I think he can't do this too much as a bluf since he cannot expect you to fold AJ+ here BvB. So i guess he's hoping for a call and has 1 pairs beat.
He's most likely raising sets or 2 pair that hit on flop or turn earlier in the hand. So that leaves 2 pair with the 8, pocket 8's and maybe some straight combo's in his range (Q9. 9d7d)
So my calling range is TJ+. Definately not calling with 1 pair here without any history.
(This by the way makes it a good blufspot for people with a nitty image)

[coachgp]

I guess I would expect TT JJ to be 3b all the time bvb here. 33 can def get to the river like this. also 97dd Q9o combos, tho some are folded on the turn. Also, I would assume he doesnt really turn made hands into a bluff, until he shows hes capable.

[LouisLouis]

He's most likely raising sets or 2 pair that hit on flop or turn earlier in the hand

I agree, although I don't think we can discount it entirely.

So that leaves 2 pair with the 8, pocket 8's and maybe some straight combo's in his range (Q9. 9d7d)

yea, seems to me too, that river helped him. If that's infact the case, it's primarely hands like 97dd, Q9, T8 and J8.

Would you expect a unknown "nl1k-nl2k" reg to ship J8 and T8 on the river?

[Faramir]

Originally Posted by LouisLouis

Would you expect a unknown "nl1k-nl2k" reg to ship J8 and T8 on the river?

Not always, but its unlikely you have 2pair or better too, And you might Herocall with AJ-ish type hands. But it's not very likely he floated 79, so if were folding TJ we'd have to put him on exactly q9, with is discutable. So even though he's not always shipping J8 and T8 for value, it compensates for the times he's bluffing somehow, or thin valueraising, So i think JT+ is mandatory call.
I also agree he can sometimes slowplay 2 pair earlier in the hand, since ranges are wider sb/bb and it's most +ev to let you bluf/valuebet with 1 pair. But still with TJ we have top two and we're only loosing to sets and straights. Still I can imagine him rivering 2pair and be so happy with it, hoping to get it in vs all 1 pair hands.

[run4urlife]

JT is the same hand as J2 here. are you calling with J2 on the river?
i am not sure if i call the river without having the nuts. thats why i like to c/c the river with my sets.

[Faramir]

Originally Posted by run4urlife

JT is the same hand as J2 here. are you calling with J2 on the river?
i am not sure if i call the river without having the nuts. thats why i like to c/c the river with my sets.

Not a lot of draws seem to have gotten there... so it's an easy valuebet imo for JT, since it's not very likely were gonna get raised off our hand and we're getting a lot of value from betting compared to checking and hoping he turns 1 pair into a bluf (most sd-hands he will check behind)
J2 however i wouldn't valuebet and check to call or checkfold, since we have obvious kicker trouble against any J (or better) that valuebets

[aejones]

Since your range is nutted and since you are unlikely to be three barreling this river too often (note: I'm mostly just saying that it's not like the turn and river were overcard/overcard) there's no reason to expect that you are being bluffed.

That said, I would call with pretty much all sets because it's possible (although I guess unlikely) that he's raising two pair here. Jack-Ten would likely be pretty close.

For value, I think we're looking at specifically 888 or Q9/97 of diamonds. I'd be a little surprised to see him call the turn with a straight draw without picking up diamonds.

When it comes to spots like this though, sometimes I call with AJ and sometimes I fold JT, it's so opponent reliant and based on recent history.