Strange turn raise spot - pure nuts?

[Yeyeyesok]

Table 'Emma III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($2438.95 in chips) [in cutoff]
Seat 4: nanonoko ($2561 in chips)
nanonoko: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kh Jc]
Hero: raises $30 to $50
nanonoko: calls $30
*** FLOP *** [3s 6c 4h]
nanonoko: checks
Hero: bets $60
nanonoko: calls $60
*** TURN *** [3s 6c 4h] [Ks]
nanonoko: checks
Hero: bets $160
nanonoko: raises $300 to $460
Hero: raises $390 to $850
nanonoko: calls $390
*** RIVER *** [3s 6c 4h Ks] [2c]
nanonoko: checks
Hero: checks


I don't know what nanonoko is capable of and I am wondering if you think his turn raising range is pure nuts?
What do you think his pre flop range is?
What do you think his turn raising range is?

[c0gnAc]

i expect his bluffrange to be something like A2/A7/78, as far as value goes i think he can have K6 or better here since the flop is somewhat dry and its HU so he might want to keep you in with something like a set. i dont really like your 3bet on the turn, were you going to fold to a shove? id just call the turnraise and call most rivers hoping to catch a bluff

[Yeyeyesok]

A7s or A7o? Is it standard to call oop vs Cutoff wide range with A7o-A2o?? What about 44-33? Can he have many sets?

[aejones]

i think he's bluffing a lot on the turn, but once he doesn't fire river it seems a lot less likely (because i think quite a few of his bluffs complete and he would follow up with those that don't). probably has something with some showdown value on the turn, not sure what. might have KQ or something silly. nananoko is weird, frequently feels like he's just clicking buttons when playing against regs.

[klink-]

i don't understand the turn 3bet.

[aejones]

wow i didnt even notice we 3bet the turn

[Yeyeyesok]

'We' didn't 3bet the turn

I can't even find this hand in my database for some reason. Maybe I deleted it to try and delete it from my memory. No idea why I 3bet the turn at the time. All I can guess is that my read at the time was that he never had 44 or 33 in his range, nor K6s. So that left him with 66 or 55 or any of his backdoorflushdraw floats. I thought I was super wide in this spot and I'd seen him make a similar kind of play vs me. Now the spade arrives I raise the turn for value planning on calling the 3bet because I think he has so many BDFD's. When he calls I decide not to bet river for whatever reason. Maybe because I'm not sure I can bluff him off KsQs etc when stacks are so small by this point and it probably isn't worth it anyway given that he still has the vague chance of having a set in my mind.

Its all very thin and probably terrible and I guess that's why I'm asking what he is capable of. Pretty debatable reads and likely super fps over analysis, which I was very prone to do when I first started playing high stakes. I thought everyone was like 5th level thinking at one stage.

[sauce123]

Your turn play really only makes sense as an exploitative adjustment against a villain who is too bluff heavy on the turn. Ok fine, so why ask our advie?

[d2themfi]

Originally Posted by sauce123

Your turn play really only makes sense as an exploitative adjustment against a villain who is too bluff heavy on the turn. Ok fine, so why ask our advie?

can you elaborate? Why would we 3bet the turn if villain is bluff heavy (im assuming its basically impossible for us to have a read that villain 4bets turns light- unless thats what you meant by bluff heavy?).

[luckychewy]

turn play makes more sense if hes semibluff heavy than totally bluff happy. kinda agree w sauce though, its like asking if our read is the same as yours which we can't really say. play has merit under certain circumstances imo.