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Old 01-22-2010, 01:07 AM
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Alright guys, so with the nice big pullbacks in all...I'm thinking about picking up a little index investing in one of these countries (I do monthly index investing in the U.S./international, this investment is 100% separate from that and is suppose to be a buy/hold for 40 years that I'm using with extra money thanks to a good poker month )


China: I LOVE their growth opportunity. But their government's attitude does scare me. After all, China petro did lose money when oil was sky high because the Chinese government didn't want gas prices to spike (and made the company sell at a loss...basically saying F U to shareholders) My biggest fear is that their RE is a bubble and when it pops they'll make the bank etc. eat a LOT of the loss and shareholders will get screwed.

India: RE bubble just like china imo But I like their government more then china, and I like the fact instead of "producing" there way to prosperity like china is doing, they're "educating" their way to prosperity imo. But their P/E ratio for their companies is SICK HIGH and almost all of their IPOs are tanking and just paying off debt instead of investing in expansion. A few guys I've talked with are saying India as a whole (and not just RE) is a bubble. I personally don't know, but I do think their RE is a bubble.

Brazil: I like their government the best out of the 3. However Latin American countries LOVE to turn to socialism in down turns (like str8 taking over companies and saying F U to shareholders). Also, Brazil imo has the smallest upside. I think china could and/or India could be superpowers in 100 years, but I doubt Brazil will ever (in 100 year time frame) get that big/good/powerful....too much crime/social factors imo.



SO....I'm leaning towards China, even though I fear they'll get smacked down in 1-5 years when their RE bubble collapses....but I think as long as their government stays in tact they'll surpass the U.S. in dominance as long as they don't turn to pure socialism. Basically as a 5 year investment I doubt I'd buy FXI...but for 40 years I think it's a good buy.

So my question: Anyone know if China has food stamps or rental assistance programs? My wife is going to ask my brother in law who has lived there off and on for a few years, but I was curious if anyone knows. I've tried a google search to no avail I think if they don't have the "bases" for socialism/social programs I might pick up a little china tomorrow





cliff notes: Does china have a food stamp program currently? If not, I might be buying some FXI tomorrow.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:57 AM
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I have no idea but this seems interesting, keep me posted.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:59 AM
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Why not save with intention of buying when the bubble busts, knowing that it will be more of a buyers market? (obv Idk that this best option, I just feel that if there country are going to follow suit with the U.S. Economy, The best +ev move would be to save with the plan of investing china just as the market begins to rebound, from a bubble burst.)

IDK what are your thoughts?

As far as your question, I dont Know
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:23 PM
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Why not save with intention of buying when the bubble busts, knowing that it will be more of a buyers market? (obv Idk that this best option, I just feel that if there country are going to follow suit with the U.S. Economy, The best +ev move would be to save with the plan of investing china just as the market begins to rebound, from a bubble burst.)

IDK what are your thoughts?

As far as your question, I dont Know
The only reason I hesitate to do that is I don't know how high/how low/how big the bubble will be.

Right now FXI (china etf) is trading at $40ish...I don't know if it's top will be $150 and bottom be $70....or if it's top is $50 and bottom is $30. (I don't have enough time to try and predict tops and bottoms, and bubbles are tough to call anyways...I'm just guessing that in 15 years we'll look back and at one point china will be considered a bubble RE market)

BUT...I am "saving more" then I usually do. Usually I keep some cash in my broker accounts to buy dips etc. But I will be keeping "more then usual" to buy incase of a bubble.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:25 PM
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FWIW...I picked up some brazil...the pullback was just too sweet (from where I was looking/waiting) brazil pulled back 10.55%...china 8%....india 5% That was just too tempting not to pick up a little

p.s. I'm not a financial advisor, invest at your own risk, consult a professional...blah blah blah
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Old 01-22-2010, 06:11 PM
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hm.. yeah that makes a lot of sense.

As far as saving I think a lot of people are saving know that were not or are saving more then ever if they already had been. Which is Great, for the stability of our economy imo.

Best of luck w/brazil hope it works out.
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Old 02-01-2010, 03:30 PM
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Well I thought I'd update this thread. This "correction" or whatever you want to refer to it has been a sexy buying opportunity imo. (that doesn't mean it can't go even lower...I'm not a market timer, I'm just buying on dips)

With that said, I bought some FXI today (tracks china) and I got it for a 9.1% discount (from where I was watching it before.

I really hope it goes lower tbh...so I can pick up some india at a nice big discount too
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updates?
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Old 08-13-2010, 01:26 PM
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None of the above. Buy a solid American company that does business in all three of those countries like JNJ. I trust the management of JNJ much more than I would trust just about any company based in those three countries. GL
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