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Old 09-09-2010, 09:52 AM
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Default [400NL] 200 bb deep AQ in 3b pot

Villain is very aggressive preflop. 33/29, 3bet 8%, squeeze 13% from BB, but only over 250 hands.2.4AF postflop
I'm pretty aggressive myself too (27/22/10%,60%foldto3bet) 51% btn-steal
We haven't been battling before postflop.
Villain can't be squeezing very light because of stacks, and I think 4betting is clearly a bad choice.
Flop is a clear call.
What do we take in concideration when calling turn and or river?

Villain is putting me on AQ AJ,maybe weaker A's, maybe AA/AK and doesn't know if i call or fold this on the river.
He can be barreling all AK, 2pairs and sets, and a decent ammount of blufs... with which he decided he could barrel me off in 3 streets...
Can I call turn and fold river?

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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SB: $415
BB: $1,494.70
UTG: $982.10
CO: $500.60
Hero (BTN): $808.60

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $10, BB raises to $52, Hero calls $40, SB folds

Flop: ($116) 2 A 5 (2 Players)
BB bets $68, Hero calls $68

Turn: ($252) 8 (2 Players)
BB bets $160, Hero calls $160

River: ($572) 3 (2 Players)
BB bets $1,214.70 and is All-In,
Hero?
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: [400NL] 200 bb deep AQ in 3b pot

What do you mean "villan can't be squeezing light because of stacks"? I think it would be the opposite.

Without reads you have to fold river. People tend to be unbalanced when overbetting; some only do it for value, some only do it as bluffs; until you figure this out, take the easy way out. Regardless, villan should be polarized preflop, but the bottom end will probably be hands like 78s, J9s, etc.

I actually don't like your call preflop. Let's be honest, most 400 regs aren't capable of putting in a 5B bluff in this spot 200bb deep. I prefer just turning my hand into a bluff preflop and 4B to 140 and folding to a 5B. Versus villan's value range, AQ is getting shit on. Versus his bluff range, you are going to get pushed off your hand if villan is aggro.
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Old 09-09-2010, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: [400NL] 200 bb deep AQ in 3b pot

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What do you mean "villan can't be squeezing light because of stacks"? I think it would be the opposite.

Without reads you have to fold river. People tend to be unbalanced when overbetting; some only do it for value, some only do it as bluffs; until you figure this out, take the easy way out. Regardless, villan should be polarized preflop, but the bottom end will probably be hands like 78s, J9s, etc.

I actually don't like your call preflop. Let's be honest, most 400 regs aren't capable of putting in a 5B bluff in this spot 200bb deep. I prefer just turning my hand into a bluff preflop and 4B to 140 and folding to a 5B. Versus villan's value range, AQ is getting shit on. Versus his bluff range, you are going to get pushed off your hand if villan is aggro.
I think it's hard to play deep pots oop, and so should villain, so squeezing should be done with a tighter range, which you can continue with on multiple boards. (since i can call IP and play better then him in a lot of situations)
Where is the flaw in above reasoning??

villains riverbet isn't an overbet (i only have 520ish left with 570 in the pot)
BTW, this isn't a situation where i should call river when i call turn, right?

I kindoff like your plan of 4betting as a bluf, and like your reasoning behind it, but I feel like my hand is too strong to turn it into a bluf...(i'd rather do that with Ax because of blockers, or random hands like 78s)
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