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Old 03-16-2010, 11:19 PM
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Default 400NL: semi deep 3B pot facing river shove

Villan is a nit; like 19/16. He is very stubborn when it comes to folding to 3B oop; 40%.

I have a note on him that he doesn't follow through on rivers, but this was in a normal pot; gave up on a great scare card IP

I don't really like doing anything but calling the flop since I have the A of clubs.

On the turn, who likes betting? That is literally the best card in the deck for me... reduces the combos of sets and kills any 2 pair outs of villan. The pot is big enough where I can get stacks in on the river.

The river was WTF. I don't know if this is ever a bluff given my read on villan. But he is only repping like 5 combos of hands. QQ, 66, or 88. he might have a 6x that got there but that is about it.

Call or fold?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($400)
UTG+1 ($632)
CO ($508)
Hero ($1,068)
SB ($400)
BB ($429)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is BTN A A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $44, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $32

Flop: Q 6 8 ($94, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $60, UTG+1 raises to $180, Hero calls $120

Turn: 8 ($454, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: 6 ($454, 2 players)
UTG+1 goes all-in $408, $408 to Hero ($844)?

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Old 03-16-2010, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: deep 3B pot facing river shove

why don't you just get it in on the flop?
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Old 03-16-2010, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: deep 3B pot facing river shove

yea i dont understand how he has you beat here unless he has quads? At the same time, seems like a really stupid bluff
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:40 AM
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Default Re: 400NL: deep 3B pot facing river shove

+1 for getting it in on the flop.

As long as he can have AQ, KK and even some bluffs (low 3b fold % OOP) I am not folding. 5 combo's that beat you.. KK alone is already 6.
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: deep 3B pot facing river shove

The fact that I have the Ac reduces the number of draws villan can check raise flop with. I just don't see any scenario where I'm ahead if we get it on the flop due to the fact that I have the A of clubs. Versus an aggro opponent who will get it in light, this is an obvious stack off, but this villan seemed very nitty; I don't think this is ever KK (might be wrong though). I think just getting it in on the flop allows villan to play basically perfectly. Would love to hear counter arguments though

He has a high 4B% and probably isn't comfortable playing postflop; especially deep in a 3B pot OOP. He will probably get in KK preflop to avoid tough decisions later (might be wrong, but seemed like that type of player).

My biggest problem is not giving people credit when they are repping the most narrow ranges. I can't remember any time where somewhere was repping 5 or hands and didn't have it. I don't know... I don't want to say villan has no heart, but in my previous hands with him it didn't seem like he was very high intensity.
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: deep 3B pot facing river shove

I would get it in on he flop as well but I think the river is a fold. A nit would never ever bluff on that spot, much less if he knows he is representing a very narrow range.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:15 PM
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Default Re: 400NL: deep 3B pot facing river shove

You say villain is stubborn but can you really put him on a 8x or 6x hand that checkraises the flop?

Even though you have the Ac it seems reasonable he can have missed draws himself, at least a little more in line with his flop check-raising range.
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