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Old 08-05-2010, 03:54 PM
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Default 400nl : WTF !! Bottom set

Can we ever fold here?

$2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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BTN: $861
Hero (SB): $773.80
BB: $520.70
UTG: $800

Pre-Flop: 9 9 dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, BTN raises to $22, Hero calls $20, BB calls $18

Flop: ($66) A 9 Q (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $33, Hero raises to $95, BB folds, BTN calls $62

Turn: ($256) J (2 Players)
Hero bets $180, BTN raises to $360, Hero ????????
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: 400nl : WTF !! Bottom set

What reads do you have on villan?
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:50 PM
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Sick. I fold and am pretty happy about it. Villains play isn't good.
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Old 08-06-2010, 05:11 AM
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What reads do you have on villan?
villain -29 bb/100 with vpip 47, pfr 29 and af 2.8

he is a weird player in the sense u never know if he has air or a real hand

kept raising like this with crap last few hands
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:13 AM
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Default Re: 400nl : WTF !! Bottom set

Given ur read, I don't think I will fold, ur only 130bb deep, he can raise with worse for value surely
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:21 AM
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Isn't this the type of player that will insta ship AA/QQ on the flop?

How about his raise size pre, 5.5x @ BTN, his default size? Does this reduce KT type hand combos?
What about his minraising, any clues on that? Draws or nuts?

More reads plz, you'll havvvvee to be able to come with more than 47/29.

And about your question "can we ever fold" ofcourse, if you have seen him 5.5x only monsters and seen him c/minraise only the nuts. Then sure, pitch.

But without those reads, it being 130bb and him being a loose cannon -> I am stacking it off on turn. He might show up with two pairs, draws and stuff once in a while. Maybe he even has a hard time folding AK


But if I am allowed to make a guess for his hand:
JJ
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:57 PM
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If he's raising worse for value then ship the turn. If a 4th straight card or 3rd diamond comes off it kills your action and sometimes gets you bluffed off your equity. If he's often pure bluffing the turn then it's call/call 90% of rivers. Read make all the difference.
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Old 08-06-2010, 02:42 PM
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Isn't this the type of player that will insta ship AA/QQ on the flop?
not sure, he could swing either way

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How about his raise size pre, 5.5x @ BTN, his default size? Does this reduce KT type hand combos?
What about his minraising, any clues on that? Draws or nuts?
he is capable of raising any 2 this way, he is basically a terrible player, but then again, when he minraises like this, he has to have something

K10 could be in his range, he is a station , but if he has K10 also, can we fold to a minraise?

thanks guys for all the opinions, should i post the results?
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Old 08-06-2010, 04:23 PM
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IF you dont think hes the type to play two pair this way like AQ/AJ then its a fold
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:10 PM
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villain -29 bb/100 with vpip 47, pfr 29 and af 2.8

he is a weird player in the sense u never know if he has air or a real hand

kept raising like this with crap last few hands
Sounds like he could have AQ/AJ or worse. Jam then.
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