600NL: Deep facing river check raise

[steel108]

Villan in playing 3 tables and has basically stayed out of my way this session. I have been pretty nitty on the table since there are 2 fish to my left; 21/18, not really 3bettng a lot. No history and no other reads.

River was obviously a value bet... i just don't see many combos of flushes in his range. He seems pretty solid so the combos are like Axdd, and combo draws. Thoughts on river sizing and do you call the check raise. I think villan knows I never have a flush here with my small bet sizing, but i have no clue if he will do anything about it.

$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
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4 Players
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Stacks:
Hero ($1,412)
BTN ($1,014)
SB ($641)
BB ($1,779)

Pre-Flop: ($9, 4 players) Hero is CO J J
Hero raises to $21, 2 folds, BB calls $15

Flop: J A 5 ($45, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $33, BB calls $33

Turn: 3 ($111, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $87, BB calls $87

River: Q ($285, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $159, BB raises to $420, $261 to Hero ($1112)?

[oakton55]

call? i don't think how any option is that close.

[klink-]

whoops that was me someone left their leggo account logged in here.

[steel108]

What is the bottom of your calling range here? If you call you are obviously putting him on a bluff. Would you call AJ, AK since I see them as the same hand relatively speaking.

Also, in these spots do you like betting a normal amount, 220ish, and folding to a check raise. I make these bets and I start leveling myself thinking he knows that I can't have a flush draw here since I bet so small and inevitability call.

[PlsTilt]

Well I think you're looking to discard his valuehands.. but what bluffs can he have?

You are UTG and 3 barreling this board, you can be nutted all over the place including all big sets, straights and nutflushes.
It's a horrible spot for him to bluff without history. He doesn't know if you're able to fold AJ / AQ and he'll assume you call all sets+.
Add to this the fact he's been avoiding you, it's BB v UTG, he's 20/18. I'd actually be surprised if he defends KTdd preflop. I think he has the nutflush nearly always here. He's just not creative enough to turn pairs into bluffs and besides your range is just too strong to bluff at all.

Important is how loose he perceives your openrange UTG. But still.
I'm folding because I think he check-calls river more than he check-raises with AQ. And he'll hardly ever bluff. I give him credit for the nutflush and an occasional KTdd.

[Isura]

He's got strong bluff catcher usually. I'd just bomb the river. I think he has nut flush like every time here.

[pokerswans]

river bet size is terrible based on what your range is trying to accomplish.