River spot vs. unknown

[Isura]

Originally Posted by harangutang

Seems like a good spot to c/f the river. He isn't calling another barrel with worse enough and has a lot of nutted hands in his range by the river. He'll check back his worse Qs usually too.

I think this makes it a c/c. He has so few nutted hands, would he vb Kx, does he even call turn with KJ/KT (he can't have Kxhh). I think he might just turn random 9x/7x type hands into bluffs here and it looks like we won't c/c that often.

[Isura]

Originally Posted by klink-

i think my options are b/f or c/f here, i feel like i end up betting these spots a lot because it feels kind of dirty to c/f such a strong hand in this spot.

Def think bet is too thin. Don't think QJ/QT call you nearly enough. We need a bluff catching range against unknown who can easily spaz/bluff when the K hits

[harangutang]

Originally Posted by Isura

I think this makes it a c/c. He has so few nutted hands, would he vb Kx, does he even call turn with KJ/KT (he can't have Kxhh). I think he might just turn random 9x/7x type hands into bluffs here and it looks like we won't c/c that often.

We are UTG and the river is a K, I'd say that in some random regs eyes it is not that unlikely that we are going for a c/c here on the river. I'd think he would generally check back all of his few 9x one pair hand hands

He might turn 7x into a bluff, but that is only 3 combos. He can have some hearts, all of the slowplayed flopped sets, some JTs, some T8s, and probably most of the 9 combos of KQ. I don't think you are 30% here when you c/c the river.

[Isura]

Originally Posted by harangutang

We are UTG and the river is a K, I'd say that in some random regs eyes it is not that unlikely that we are going for a c/c here on the river. I'd think he would generally check back all of his few 9x one pair hand hands

He might turn 7x into a bluff, but that is only 3 combos. He can have some hearts, all of the slowplayed flopped sets, some JTs, some T8s, and probably most of the 9 combos of KQ. I don't think you are 30% here when you c/c the river.

Ya, this seems right.

As an aside, are we ever c/c here? Maybe a spot we don't need a c/c range..Theoretically it seems like we should only check with intention of c/f or c/r (flushes/straights to get value from KQ/sets+ that always bets) and some bluffs.

[lancelott_]

what do you think about smallish blockbet like 1/4th pot? too exploitable or w/e?

[Isura]

$15 on river is kinda cool