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Old 09-05-2010, 06:13 PM
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Default 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

villain is 28/15, 50% F3B, 29% steal

Notes:- 3b GII w/JJ v BTN from SB
-call a minopen + iso w/68s
-ck/shove on shortstack w/flopped flush

Cereus Network - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $17.66
Hero (BTN): $25.69
SB: $3.90
BB: $25.57
UTG: $19.29
MP: $31.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) 7 4 K
CO checks, Hero bets $1.02, CO calls $1.02

Turn: ($4.09, 2 players) T
CO checks, Hero bets $2.54, fold

Hero wins $3.91

can we 3bet for value pre here? Usually I would flat w/this hand, but given taht he calls 3bets so light, he can surely call with worse here...

I turn the NFD and barrel, if the turn had been a Td would I still be barrelling? What if it was the 2h?
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0sGbES024g
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

Its a good barrell card as his range is never/rarely going to have a K so all his pairs, 55/66/7x/88-QQ and Ax hands may call one street but fold to turn barrel, apart from TT ldo.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

Also, 3bet pre. You are IP and he will call with worse.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

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erm... wat?
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:48 AM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

to your question.
Yes I would barrel the Tc and also the Td but not the 2h.

Reason if we fire 3 here, which I would do, youw ant him to fold out anything worse than a K and maybe even a bad King. So both the Tc and the Td give us some good fold equity combined w/ more pot equity.
But the 2h doesnt scare him off of 2nd pairs and Kings. Plus we did not eran any extra ev for our hand.

Thats why:
Ten --> fire 3
2 --> give up
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:56 AM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

apart from giving us extra equity, how does the Td or Tc create fold equity? why would he be folding Kx here when he won't fold it when a 2 turns?
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Old 09-06-2010, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

i doubt he folds Kx to the 2nd barrel but might to the 3rd.
We could have KT,TT,78, 89,QJ,AQ and so on. All like the T.
and it rarely helps him.
unless he XC w/ TT.
so our hand range becomes stronger and his not.
On the 2 e.g. if he has 99 I doubt he folds it.
But on the T he might now fold 99 for example

And some other reasons but I think that should help atm. If not feel free to ask.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:15 AM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

I don't think he's afraid of us having any of the hands you mentioned, only TT and KT. When he doesn't cbet this flop, he's usually got a bluffcatcher type hand, and hte hands you mentioned will be the range he wants to play against.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:22 AM
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Default Re: 25nl- 3bet for value? barrel NFD turn?

78 was a bad example. i meant 98

and he could also fold 78 to the 2nd barrel, was what i meant.
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