50nl 3barrel

[jjooeeyy]

Villain is 22/16 over 400 hands. He is a reg. Folds 43% to cbets. Have got to showdown 23% so far.

The limper in CO is a huge whale.

€0.25/€0.50 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG (€49.13)
UTG+1 (€54.36)
CO (€4.37)
BTN (€50.25)
Hero (SB) (€87.59)
BB (€53.65)

Pre-Flop: (€0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB 10 A
2 folds, CO calls €0.50, BTN calls €0.50, Hero raises to €2.75, 1 fold, CO folds, BTN calls €2.25

Flop: 7 K J (€6.50, 2 players)
Hero bets €4, BTN calls €4

Turn: 3 (€14.50, 2 players)
Hero bets €10.50, BTN calls €10.50

River: 5 (€35.50, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in

When he limps pre instead of iso the fish, he never has anything good. So i discount KJ and 77. And my range should look very strong imo. The only hands I'm really worried about otr is Kxss or Jxss. What do u think, do u like this or not?

[robbyd86]

he should fold everything but a bdfd here. unless he misclicked he shouldnt have AK, KJ, or 77 here. it also depends how your image is, but if its fairly clean i dont mind 3 barrels here.

[grogheadflow]

A reg who overlimps the BTN? Seems like a fish to me! Yeh I'd play it the same, wide PF ranges and a wet enough board where the call2 range is different enough from the call3 range.

[jjooeeyy]

Originally Posted by grogheadflow

A reg who overlimps the BTN? Seems like a fish to me! Yeh I'd play it the same, wide PF ranges and a wet enough board where the call2 range is different enough from the call3 range.

It feels like the fact that the bd fd got there is both good and bad. Good in the way that in villains eyes it looks very hard for me to be bluffing. But i'd imagine he is gonna have some combos of Kxss and Jxss, and maybe sth like T9ss,T8ss and 98ss. But maybe there just isn't enough combos of these hands to do anything else then jaming? What do u think?

[TheStudent]

A reg who overlimps the BTN? Seems like a fish to me!

Why? Don't see what is wrong with overlimping. Have seen it pretty often in vids from good coaches.

[grogheadflow]

Have seen it pretty often in vids from good coaches.

How good? I'd flame them too fwiw. CO has 8 big blinds in this spot which makes it especially bad, but in general I just can't think of a spot (that occurs more often than say once every 200k hands) where raising wouldn't be superior. I know I bore people to death with initiative, balance, keeping ranges wide yada yada but this stuff matters

Joey, I don't think you should assign too much thinking to a guy who overlimps this spot. Maybe I'm being disrespectful or just plain realistic. It's basically a level one game of how often he has hands of sufficient absolute strength to call. We expect Jx to fold probably, Kx rarely, QT always, flushes never. It's about as close to break even a spot as you'll find. What would make it less so is more exact use of stats, ie what's his BTN raise, his BTN limp, his fold to cbet (giving an idea of this general cally propensity) yada yada. In a vacuum, generic 22/16, then who the fuck knows to be honest! Instinctively I want to shove, but I'd want to be much better informed.

[TheStudent]

I learned it from Giggy.

[mythrilfox]

yeah giggy does it a lot, especially in spots where the limper is on the shallower side and he can't barrel in a raised pot as effectively. limping after an 8bb limper seems a little strange to me, because if you have any fold equity at all it seems like you should be raising anything that's good enough to limp since your fold equity + equity when all-in should be plenty profitable... but when opponent has a stacksize where he'll ckcall and be checkshoving a lot of flops (like say 20-25bb) i think limping behind with hands like K8s or whatever is fine, maybe even best. I wouldn't know how to begin to work out the math on your EV in a limped pot vs. a raised pot though as it seems like you would have to make too many assumptions to really determine which is best, esp since a limped pot ends up 3/4-way so often

[mythrilfox]

fwiw, I like your line in this hand. he can pretty much only call with a flush, & KJ is super unlikely to limp behind pre imo. I think there are plenty of weak Kx/Jx/SD combos you get him off of.

[Rolling chances]

yep i think this works pretty often i think villain is folding everything except for BDFD, TPTK and SETS. i think he is really weak when he overcalls so we can put a lot of Kings out of his range, i typically put him on QJ.

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