50nl cbeting or not in 3betpot

[jjooeeyy]

Villain is 21/15 over 450 hands. Folds 56% to 3bets. 4bets 6%. Folds to 33% of cbets and raises 14%.

$0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $36.73
BTN: $50
SB: $125.04
Hero (BB): $51.51
UTG: $75.13
MP: $70.76

Pre-Flop: 6 K dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN calls $3.25

I 3bet cuz I had been a nit at the table so far, and he opened 55% from the btn.

Flop: ($9.25) 6 8 Q (2 Players)
Hero ???

In game I thought that alot of stuff he is defending is gonna have sth on this board. Esp cuz its Q high. And there isn't a lot of runouts that I can barrel off happily. So are u just c/f here? Afterwards I did some stoving and I have almost 45% EQ vs his range on the flop. So given that, just c/f seems a bit bad. But given that I have 2 streets left to play, I just don't see a lot of ways to win the hand. How would u play it?

[Rolling chances]

i would i would C/R, he will expect you to lead as you were the 3 bettor from the blinds. if you C/R you will get more respect and dead money in the pot.

if someone check raised me on that board after 3 betting from the blinds i am folding:

9's to J's AK, AJ.. those hands are probably not folding if you lead.

you also have a "hidden" 5 outs to improve.

[Probability]

I'd bet. We have a pair and we block some combos of KQ. c/f seems fine too.

I dislike a c/r since it does not rep anything and costs a lot of money. If he folds to a c/r he is probably folding to a c bet.

[TheStudent]

Why do you think 3betting is better than calling? If your image is tight, you win more with a c/r on the flop when u suspect that his cbet missed the board a lot, or maybe even c/r turn or river if you suspect a lot of barrels from a weak range, and win even more.

[jjooeeyy]

Originally Posted by TheStudent

Why do you think 3betting is better than calling? If your image is tight, you win more with a c/r on the flop when u suspect that his cbet missed the board a lot, or maybe even c/r turn or river if you suspect a lot of barrels from a weak range, and win even more.

I think it could be fine, but prolly a bit more questionable. 3beting here with a tight imaige is never gonna be a mistake. U can also argue in that case that when I 3bet and get called, I'm gonna take it down with a cbet, or barrel a decent amount. In wich case I make more then c/r the flop in a singleraised pot.

Don't think its a big deal though, but just feels like 3beting is better. But could be wrong.

[TheStudent]

Originally Posted by Probability

I'd bet. We have a pair and we block some combos of KQ. c/f seems fine too.

I dislike a c/r since it does not rep anything and costs a lot of money. If he folds to a c/r he is probably folding to a c bet.

But you win more with a c/r compared to a c-bet though. Problem is that you don't really know how wide he is gonna bet in this spot and how much respect he will give u. But yeah, I would also c-bet here because you have 5 outs for 2pair, backdoor flushdraw, and block KQ.

[Rolling chances]

the point is your not going to get a lot of folds if you C bet the flop with the initiative because players expect you to lead there <90%.

i think you clearly rep AA or KK here or AQ and QQ

your not going to want to see almost any turn so it makes sense to act strong in a spot that seems credible

[Macio]

well .. i preffer leading then check rasing.

If we lead and he calls, we see what turn does, if we c/raise and he fold then he would probably fold to c-bet as well. if he has a strong hand or a draw he will check behind in case you hit set with QQ and he dosn't want to be blown of the pot.

He calls almost 50% of 3bets, he will be folding a lot to cbets. It was already established that most players at those stakes call way too much 3bets and fold when they miss (maybe not us here but in general).

if you have AA or KK or even AQ, do you really would check raise this flop and give someone a free card with very possible draw (JT T9). If you bet they will probably fold as they will feel like burning money, but if you check they more then liekly will check behind to see free card.

[Rolling chances]

Originally Posted by Macio

well .. i preffer leading then check rasing.

If we lead and he calls, we see what turn does, if we c/raise and he fold then he would probably fold to c-bet as well. if he has a strong hand or a draw he will check behind in case you hit set with QQ and he dosn't want to be blown of the pot.

He calls almost 50% of 3bets, he will be folding a lot to cbets. It was already established that most players at those stakes call way too much 3bets and fold when they miss (maybe not us here but in general).

if you have AA or KK or even AQ, do you really would check raise this flop and give someone a free card with very possible draw (JT T9). If you bet they will probably fold as they will feel like burning money, but if you check they more then liekly will check behind to see free card.

the other point i was going to mention is your getting more dead money in the pot

[dougiedan678]

c/r is not a good idea.

his betting range when we check is, Qx+ and air.