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Old 09-03-2010, 11:46 AM
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Default 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

I opened this hand because i had a big fish in the blinds and the regs after me werent 3betting much.
Villain is a LAG 31/27 over 200 hands, no other reads.
So whats the standard play here vs a loose unknown reg, bet/fold turn

CO: $57.58
BTN: $278.78
SB: $81.95
BB: $60.29
Hero (UTG): $59.43

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K J
Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.50) 3 4 K (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.00, CO calls $5, BTN folds, SB folds

Turn: ($17.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $13.25, Hero
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

His VPIP and PFR as so close he has a pair almost always.

Very easy check/fold I would say. I doubt he floated flop with 2 players to act.

I think our range is way behind his and we don't get paid when we make a flush.
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Old 09-03-2010, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

His Kx hands beat us, as he never has KT here imo, and his flopped FDs now beat us coz they hit, we're only beating PPs on the turn, and he ckbks alot of them.

c/f turn is ok.
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

c/f
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Old 09-03-2010, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

bet the turn, if I did check I would not be folding, but i would usually never check unless I knew for certain that I could c/c or c/f comfortably, which you dont.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:35 AM
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Default Re: 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

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bet the turn.
why?
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: 50NL TPGK oop on flush turn

I didn't see we picked up backdoor flush... im not sure what i like tbh, would also like dougie to extrapolate
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:21 PM
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his flop calling range is prob going to be (roughly), all club combos (probably not too many of these depending on how wide he flats pre and he might raise nut FD's on flop, all pairs (he should probably be folding the flop with hands like 66 with players behind, but he very likely doesn't), and sets probably raise the flop at least 1/2 of the time, and some floats (but very few).

so his range is actually pretty tight, but the majority of it is going to be hands like 66-JJ, so I think we should just b/f the turn and then c/f most rivers.

we also kinda have too much equity to c/f, and c/c isnt really the best option becoz it allows villian to play perfectly (he can choose when to bluff/value bet, he can also choose how much he wants to bet and has control in the hand, which is going to put us in alot of tought spots).

basically i mean that betting can never be wrong vs almost anyone, but c/f or c/c is probably going to result in us making big mistakes if we have no idea of his vlauebetting/bluffing frequencies, which we dont.
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:16 PM
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his flop calling range is prob going to be (roughly), all club combos (probably not too many of these depending on how wide he flats pre and he might raise nut FD's on flop, all pairs (he should probably be folding the flop with hands like 66 with players behind, but he very likely doesn't), and sets probably raise the flop at least 1/2 of the time, and some floats (but very few).

so his range is actually pretty tight, but the majority of it is going to be hands like 66-JJ, so I think we should just b/f the turn and then c/f most rivers.

we also kinda have too much equity to c/f, and c/c isnt really the best option becoz it allows villian to play perfectly (he can choose when to bluff/value bet, he can also choose how much he wants to bet and has control in the hand, which is going to put us in alot of tought spots).

basically i mean that betting can never be wrong vs almost anyone, but c/f or c/c is probably going to result in us making big mistakes if we have no idea of his vlauebetting/bluffing frequencies, which we dont.
some serious pwnage in this one.
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