50nl weird spot vs fish in 4betpot

[jjooeeyy]

Villain is 50/17 over 120 hands. Have a 78% donk bet.

3betor is 3beting 15% on the BTN.

$0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $91.45
BTN: $52.39
SB: $38
Hero (BB): $50
UTG: $50
MP: $67.46

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO raises to $1.25, BTN raises to $4, SB calls $3.75, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, SB calls $7

I elected to cold 4bet because the BTN first of all hand a high 3bet OTB. And the fish seemed like a pretty bad player so I just wanted to get headsup with him. I guess I could call and take my hand what is most likely gonna be 4way. But thought 4beting was going to be better. And I won't ever get 5bet light in this spot by the BTN. U think this is fine?

Flop: ($27.25) 5 3 6 (2 Players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5

My plan when he donked was most likely to go call/call. Maybe I would fold on some turns if he jamed. But I think that he is gonna miss this board pretty often. I thought that call 2 was better then jaming flop, because I can't make him fold a better hand, and most likely not getting him to call with a worse hand either. What do u think about my reasonings?

Turn: ($37.25) 4 (2 Players)
SB bets $22 and is All-In, Hero calls $22

I felt like he prooobably wouldn't jam a hand like TT here given its a 4 to a straight on the board. But guess it can't be ruled out since these guys can do some weird shit for sure. And I don't see alot of 2x and 7x in his range. So I just elected to stick with my plan and call.

Could I have played the hand better on any streets?

[TheStudent]

I think your hand plays fine multiway, esp since its suited, and because it's multiway, you can just donkbet on flops where u hit and valuetown the fish. I mean, you still have to hit something with AQ, and I don't suspect you will get HU with the fish a sick amount of the time. Guess this explanation is pretty bad, but I just don't get why you would 4-bet. I mean, you basically turn your hand into a bluff vs the btn, your hand does fine vs 15%.

I would 4-bet like QQ+, AK+ here, and maybe something like AJo.

Flop, mehh, dunno, but I prob call as well to hit a Q or A.

Turn I am def folding, you did 4-bet pre, even a fish knows that is strong imo. No way this is a profitable call with 6 outs imo.

[jjooeeyy]

Originally Posted by TheStudent

I think your hand plays fine multiway, esp since its suited, and because it's multiway, you can just donkbet on flops where u hit and valuetown the fish. I mean, you still have to hit something with AQ, and I don't suspect you will get HU with the fish a sick amount of the time. Guess this explanation is pretty bad, but I just don't get why you would 4-bet. I mean, you basically turn your hand into a bluff vs the btn, your hand does fine vs 15%.

I would 4-bet like QQ+, AK+ here, and maybe something like AJo.

Flop, mehh, dunno, but I prob call as well to hit a Q or A.

Turn I am def folding, you did 4-bet pre, even a fish knows that is strong imo. No way this is a profitable call with 6 outs imo.

As for preflop. My hand does play OK multiway, but it is not really a great spot imo because both CO and BTN can come along with PPs witch issn't great for me. And I always have to hit to win the pot since its prob gonna be 4way or at least 3way a fair amount of the time. I do turn my hand into a bluff vs BTN but just the fact that I can get headsup with a huge fish seems like a pretty good situation to me.

Given that villain is donking 78% of flops, I can't see any reason to even thinking about folding the flop, and its not just to hit a A,Q imo. He is just gonna have air to often, even if its a 4betpot.

The turn is the spot were I'm most unsure. We are getting decent odds with what could be 10 outs. And he could probably be bluffing sometimes but don't really know how often. Just the fact that he gets to the river with such a wide range probably since he donks 78% of the time, he can have alot of potential hands to bluff with.

[TheStudent]

I think his donkingrange in a 4-bet pot is A LOT (!!!) tighter than his donkingrange btn-bb for example in a single raised pot.

[jjooeeyy]

Well it could be tigher but still, he seems pretty braindead so it's hard to put to much into that. Esp since I know what he had.

[TheStudent]

It could be? Come on, you know its way tighter than that. And let's imagine for theoretical example it is 78%, it is 78% of a much stronger range because of pre flop action.

Also, I feel like when fish bet small on turn and bomb river, they have it in general. (like they prepare for a nice river set up)

[hopjesvlaa22]

I call preflop. You dont want to 4b and fold vs shove from co/bttn, you lose to much potential value from not having the fish in the hand.

As played, call flop. He could try to take down the pot with any hand and aq might be the best hand.
Turn is nasty, but I could seemyself calling. He might do this with every 2 broadwys.

[Probability]

i like the way you played it all.

[Rolling chances]

this is an awful player your up against i don't know why you didn't wait for a better spot to dominate it seems like your the one getting leveled here

[jjooeeyy]

For those of u that think the turn is a fold. I would like to hear for what reason, and what is beating me.

His preflop range first of all is going to contain alooot if broadways imo. And how well does that range connect with the flop? Not good at all. And given what this guys strategy have been so far (donking everything), I don't see why he wouldn't donk sth random here.

My thinking was that on the river, he might be thinking that I'm folding an OP ot w/e since its a 4 to a straight on the board. Who knows, the dude is playing 50/17 so he is clearly pretty retarded. And he could be jaming AJ,AT or w/e that picked up a gutshot.