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Old 02-10-2012, 12:37 PM
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Default C/R spot with top pair

Again no history

River is an easy call as most fd's are betting the turn and AK obv 3bets pf and prob bets the turn as well, given his sizing, narrow value range and my perceived weak range makes this a snap for me.

What do u guys think of betting the turn? is this mandatory given info on villain? we can get value from weaker kings and weirdly played pocket nines type hand. He hasn't c/r the turn before out of 6 instances, so we can comfortably b/f imo as i doubt many regs at nl 50 will be pulling of the double c/r without a lot of equity.







By fishdonk at 2012-02-10



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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($49.50)
BB ($102)
UTG ($51)
UTG+1 ($14.25)
CO ($46.81)
Hero ($50)

Dealt to Hero K Q

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, fold, fold

FLOP ($5) 7 K 8

SB checks, Hero bets $3.55, SB raises to $9.50, Hero calls $5.95

TURN ($24) 7 K 8 4

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($24) 7 K 8 4 A

SB bets $21,
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: C/R spot with top pair

If you would bet the turn, where do you draw the line? would u bet KJ or KT?
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: C/R spot with top pair

I'm not convinced villain bets the turn with his fds. If that's the case, river is an easy fold.

As far as betting the turn, if I didn't decide to stack-off on the flop, I would be happy to fire away and look to get it in on most rivers.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: C/R spot with top pair

i'd bet and get it in on the turn. if he's tricky enough to play 77/88 like this then good for him. the vast majority of people bet them on the turn, as well they should w/o history. KJ seems a little too thin to me, though, since i see weird regs take this line with KQ from time to time.

i don't know why you're writing off river as such an easy call. Kxss could easily check the turn, and other random spade draws wouldn't necessarily bet, plus he shouldn't have that much air in his range.

main thing i'll point out is his sizing seems absurdly strong to me. i rarely see regs bluff for that sizing, and if he was bluffing, i don't see why he would ever need to bet that big to get us off like JJ or whatever. i think a call could be considered with different river sizing but to me a bet of 21 means you are basically never good here. he prob just views our calling range as inelastic from 16-21 and decided to get more value out of his hand.
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:01 AM
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Default Re: C/R spot with top pair

call the flop, betting the turn as played seems pretty good to me to get value from worse kx and draws obv.

as played the river is an easy fold to me, he has a flush here often and maybe a weird 2 pair kinda hand.
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