NL25 - Do you like my shove? Overthinking?

[leggomyeggo]

So I was reviewing some hands from yesterday: I shove here because I want villain to think I'm shoving with a draw. Like AK with the A of clubs or some shit.

But then I'm like "Well is he even considering what I have?" In other words, at 25NL do you think it's even worth going to that level? Trying to represent something like this? Or should I just be going to value town against a fish like this. Here is the hand...

Villain was pretty fishy, running 24/3...but I didn't have anything specific for this read..

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $25.16
BB: $33.37
UTG: $29.52
CO: $62.15
BTN: $17.22

Pre-Flop: K K dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) 9 5 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.75, Hero raises to $15 putting villain all in

[robbyd86]

I would probably just continue to lead out. He's shown interest in the hand by calling flop, so he's likely to have a pair or draw that's wants to continue. And we have a big hand here w/ a good draw ourselves so i think we can bet close to pot on turn and set up a rvr shove.

I don't mind the way u played it too much though against a call station, but against a more passive opponent they may find a fold w/ a draw or second pair type hands that we could get value from still. Also, i think a c/r turn after we lead the flop looks super strong so he may catch on to that.

[leggomyeggo]

Thanks! Yeah sometimes I have a hard time telling like, whether the fish will perceive something as strength or weakness. To us, the CRAI looks so strong but people are just non believers. I do think though that leading would have been better.

[robbyd86]

Yeah i'm sure some other ppl will comment and have some interesting stuff to say, i don't think shoving is too bad, it just depends on what kinda plr he is, u may have been right and thinks that looks like a weak shove, it's hard to say, but i think the standard w/o many reads is that he would perceive it as strength.

[dougiedan678]

I think its bad coz I dont think he calls with hands we beat much, but he would call like a $5 bet with them.
His betting range on the turn is thinner than his calling range. By not leading we miss a TON of value, from pair + FD's, pair + str8 draws, etc etc.
I would raise more pre, then pot pot shove basically, depending on how the board runs out.

[DAiMONiON]

6bb preflop,
close to pot on flop,
2/3 of pot on turn
shove river

i dont think your leveling game works on this spot. especially not at nl25

[bet3bet]

he'll call u with a flush for sure, maybe sometimes even a set cuz to them yr line looks very polarize

[Donkadocus]

By shoving you are making your hand a draw - because he should only be calling with hands that beat you, i.e. sets and flushes.

I think there is more value in just leading the turn.

[leggomyeggo]

Fancy Play Syndrone confirmed. Thanks guys.