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[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by Maximus13

What would be solid three bet calling range, just catagory 1 hands?

Well it depends on the player 3betting you, the more they 3bet the wider you have to defend. Premiums are definitely going to be a defend whether by calling or 4betting. After that you want to bring in broadway type hands. If they're 3betting very light then you can start to defend mid SCs, mid PPs, AXs type hands but that's only when you're IP and only against players who are 3betting wide.

It's important you're playing aggressively postflop though.

If you're 4betting you want to use hands which aren't strong enough to call, since you'd be wasting all their value. The best candidates would be weak AXo or KXs hands as they have positive card removal effects but you don't lose the opportunity cost of calling with them since you'd be folding otherwise.

Originally Posted by Maximus13

What would be more acceptable steal %?
Also How is your steal% calculated, every time you bluff at a pot or is it more about stealing blinds?

Anything over 30% is acceptable, over 35% would be better.

It's calculated by the frequency you open raise preflop from the CO and BTN (maybe the SB as well, I'm not positive).

Originally Posted by Maximus13

Its hovering around 45, what is my goal here?

You want it as high as possible, 45 is good. Anything below around 40 would be weak-tight, anything above 45 would be very aggressive.

Originally Posted by Maximus13

Finally You touched on many different points, and things I could improve on, however I am just a common man, If there was just one thing I could focus on, what would it be. Im thinking it would be just to be more aggressive, on the flop. Let me know what you think.

Well some of them are easier to fix, like open limping so knock that out first. The most important thing would be postflop aggression. Your cbetting % isn't terrible but it's certainly on the low side.

Originally Posted by Maximus13

Cool, thanks man again. I can't thank you enough. Hope your finals go well, my wife is going crazy, she is in medical school. So yeah, defiantly being a B, right now. allright gl thanks again,

No problem.

[Maximus13]

Postflop your flop cbet% is on the low side. At micro stakes the majority of your opponents are playing fit or fold and aren't c/ring you as a bluff very frequently at all, so you can get away with having a very wide cbet% a lot of the time. Most of your opponents won't be capable of exploiting you for it, so look for more spots to bluff. It's also fine to bet fold things like bottom pairs or ace highs at these stakes, ordinarily we'd check these back to balance our cbetting range and prevent ourselves being c/r bluffed. But, like I said, this isn't as much of a concern at these stakes so we can feel comfortable bet folding these hands unless we have a read that our opponent will c/r bluff us.

Red, I tried to increase my cbetting, and foound it to be not very profitable. At the majority of my tables, I found players trying to exploit it? Its possible I could have overdone it, but I did find myself getting c/ring more then I liked, So i started raising back about thirty percent of the time depending on the flop. Ive found that to be very profitable at times. However I perfer not to big build pots, without the nuts.
I have noticed that im pretty weak in three way hands, and at these stakes, Its seems to come up alot, I generally just give up if I dont hit. Is that the wise thing to do? Do you cbet light three handed pots? Maybe this is why my cbet% is low?
What cbet% am I looking to attain?

Three betting from the button, I am pretty confused on my range here. I do like three betting from the button but often get confused with what hands I want to and dont want to. If im three betting light, How light do I want be, Axo is that pretty light? K10o? etc. Or is three betting more about metagame.
If I am three betting light I guess I should be three betting my strong hands to, does my bet size change then? I have been very profitable three betting light and cbetting when checked to but find my self confused when I have a good hand, and dont want to scare off the opponents?

I am Have some trouble understanding the ev line on my graph? What does it mean, I think it would help me to know if Im running hot or playing well. You know? Its hard to build confidence, if your winning and you just think well I must be running really good and I bet there is a down swing coming. you know?

Do you look at your stats for each session, or just your hands? If so what stats do you look at?

Thanks alot man, right now im running 20 in my bb/100 so Im pretty stoked. I have to give much of the credit to you and this site.

You should write a book about stats, and get it published, then I can buy it! Haha... for real!

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by Maximus13

Red, I tried to increase my cbetting, and foound it to be not very profitable. At the majority of my tables, I found players trying to exploit it? Its possible I could have overdone it, but I did find myself getting c/ring more then I liked, So i started raising back about thirty percent of the time depending on the flop. Ive found that to be very profitable at times. However I perfer not to big build pots, without the nuts.
I have noticed that im pretty weak in three way hands, and at these stakes, Its seems to come up alot, I generally just give up if I dont hit. Is that the wise thing to do? Do you cbet light three handed pots? Maybe this is why my cbet% is low?
What cbet% am I looking to attain?

It could be just variance that you happened to run into stronger ranges over a short sample, or maybe you're just remembering the times you're getting played back at more than the times you're not.

In three (or more) way pots you should be playing more straight forward. However, you can still cbet dry boards, like 995, K82, AT4r, etc. pretty light. I cbet three way pots pretty light in general but it's not something you need to start doing.

There's no specific cbet% you're looking to attain, like I said at the start of the thread, we're looking at stats to plug leaks and improve your play so you can make more money. We're not changing them to make them look better or hit specific targets. Having a 63% cbet% is on the low side. I'd say over 80% would probably be very high, with ~70% being a medium type figure. However, this is all relative to how much you open preflop. The more you open preflop, the weaker your postflop range and the less you can cbet (in theory).

Like I also mentioned, the reason we can get away with high cbet%s at low stakes is because players play too fit or fold. If you were playing mid-high stakes you might not be able to get away with high cbet%s and your cbet% might be fine. My advice to increase your cbet frequency is tailored specifically to exploiting micro/small stakes opponents.

Originally Posted by Maximus13

Three betting from the button, I am pretty confused on my range here. I do like three betting from the button but often get confused with what hands I want to and dont want to. If im three betting light, How light do I want be, Axo is that pretty light? K10o? etc. Or is three betting more about metagame.
If I am three betting light I guess I should be three betting my strong hands to, does my bet size change then? I have been very profitable three betting light and cbetting when checked to but find my self confused when I have a good hand, and dont want to scare off the opponents?

I made a video on 3betting a few months ago which you should start with, if you have any questions on it bump the thread or feel free to post them here.

To answer your questions, "light hands" would usually be things like small suited connectors and gappers and small - mid offsuit connectors and gappers. You don't want to be 3betting weak broadway or AXo type hands against regs, they're going to get you in a lot of trouble postflop. It's "o.k." when you're 3betting them IP because it can never really be that big a mistake and you have a lot more control postflop. However, OOP it should definitely be avoided.

Against fishy type players it's fine because you don't need to worry about balancing your range, they'll call with worse and pay you off with worse postflop although, again, it's better IP. Against nits who are opening from EP you can use these hands as well since they have positive card removal effects and you can't profitably coldcall with them but you should be proceeding extremely cautiously postflop if you do get called

Some people use metagame to decide when to 3bet, I don't worry about it too much.

Your 3bet sizing shouldn't change based on your hand strength. It can change based on the original open size and your position, you can make it less when IP and should make it more when OOP.

Again, your bet sizing shouldn't change postflop based on hand strength but, against weaker players who won't realize or exploit you for it, you can. It should be based on board texture, bet smaller on drier boards, more on wetter boards.

Originally Posted by Maximus13

I am Have some trouble understanding the ev line on my graph? What does it mean, I think it would help me to know if Im running hot or playing well. You know? Its hard to build confidence, if your winning and you just think well I must be running really good and I bet there is a down swing coming. you know?

Do you look at your stats for each session, or just your hands? If so what stats do you look at?

Thanks alot man, right now im running 20 in my bb/100 so Im pretty stoked. I have to give much of the credit to you and this site.

You should write a book about stats, and get it published, then I can buy it! Haha... for real!

It measures one type of running good/bad, whether you're winning what you're expected to in all-in situations. However, there are many more types of run good/bad that aren't measured, like how often you're getting big hands preflop, how often you flop sets, etc. and there are a lot more subtler ones as well. It also doesn't take account of cooler situations, like if you get KK in vs. AA and suck out, that will be shown as running good on the EV graph but it's just a standard cooler spot.

If you're winning at 20bb/100 then it most likely means you're running hot, just enjoy it and try not to get complacent, keep working on your game and concentrating while playing. Also, just because you ran hot for the last few thousand hands, doesn't make it any more or less likely that you'll go on a downswing in the future. It's good to hear things are going well though.

My sessions aren't long enough to look at stats but I usually just glance at the ones I listed in the OP, not to spot leaks or anything, just out of curiosity. You're far better off reviewing your hands after your sessions. That's something I've never been particularly good at doing tbh, it doesn't interest me that much so I don't bother doing it, I much prefer thinking about and discussing poker theory. If you don't enjoy doing something you probably won't do a good job anyway, but it's definitely something you should try to get into a habit of.

Try to play another 15 - 20K hands, post those stats and we can see if there are any areas you still need to look at or if there's any other issues that have come up.

I probably won't write a book on stats but I may eventually use a lot of this thread as material for a series of articles in the private strategy forum or perhaps a video series or something. That probably won't be in the near future though.

[Maximus13]

Like I also mentioned, the reason we can get away with high cbet%s at low stakes is because players play too fit or fold. If you were playing mid-high stakes you might not be able to get away with high cbet%s and your cbet% might be fine. My advice to increase your cbet frequency is tailored specifically to exploiting micro/small stakes opponents.

So in theory if one player I feel like is smart enough to exploit my high cbet% then I can just tighting my ranges on him, and continue to cbet everybody else 75% of the time or aslong as they will let me.


Got everything else pretty basic stuff I think. I just pulled up the video, Yep I didn't see yet it, but am looking forward to seeing it. Thanks again red, I think i got a pretty good handle on understanding my stats. Which is super cool. Thanks bud.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by Maximus13

So in theory if one player I feel like is smart enough to exploit my high cbet% then I can just tighting my ranges on him, and continue to cbet everybody else 75% of the time or aslong as they will let me.


Got everything else pretty basic stuff I think. I just pulled up the video, Yep I didn't see yet it, but am looking forward to seeing it. Thanks again red, I think i got a pretty good handle on understanding my stats. Which is super cool. Thanks bud.

Yep. We'll just start checking back stuff like bottom pair, ace high, weak draws like gutshots as well as the middle pair and weak top pair hands we'd typically be checking back by default anyway.

No problem.

[dougiedan678]

Just spent about 1 hour trying to get the image ready to upload so i hope this works ! Just looking for some insight into how i am playing as i have never really had someone look at my stats b4 and thot it wud be very heplful !

[RedJoker]

Hey dougiedan,

Your stats look very solid overall, very good steal% and playing aggressively.

Your fold vs. 3bet% is very low though, you're likely calling far too many 3bets. People aren't going to be 3betting you very light at this level so there's little need to defend speculative hands. I'm not sure how frequently you call 3bets OOP but if you're doing that a lot it's likely a huge leak. In position it's o.k. but probably not too necessary.

Your low W$WSF and low Agg frequency from the blinds tell me you don't fight for limped pots much, I talked about limped pots in post 16 in this thread so have a read over that.

Your flop cbet% is fine and your turn cbet% is very healthy, which means you're double barrelling a decent amount. That's fantastic but just make sure you're not overdoing it and trying to barrel calling stations in bad spots; if you find your turn bets not getting much respect then there's no harm in toning it down a little.

However, given how much you're cbetting and double barrelling I'd have expected your Aggression Factors to be a bit higher. This indicates that you might be calling flop and turn bets lightly. It may not be a problem but be careful that you're not peeling flops too lightly, just something to watch out for.

Your c/r flop% is on the low side. I wrote about Randomization by Equity in post 5 of this thread so have a read over that if you haven't already.

Your position stats look o.k. You're losing a lot of money from UTG and, even though it's a small sample, it's a little worrying. Your opening range from there is on the loose side, what hands do you usually open from UTG? Try to be specific about suits if you can.

Your VPIP from the SB is on the high side which tells me you complete a decent amount, which is fine as long as you're picking up a lot of limped pots.

Your 3bet%s look good, highest on the BTN which is very important. However, I noticed that your coldcall% is lower from the BTN then it is from the CO. This shouldn't be happening, you should be able to coldcall more hands from the BTN. I'd assume that you're 3betting a lot of those coldcallable hands instead. You're usually better off using hands you can't profitably coldcall to 3bet and then you can coldcall all the coldcallable hands. It's not a huge deal since 3betting the BTN is rarely going to be a big mistake, your ranges might just need a little tweaking though.

[dougiedan678]

Hey Red,
ty for the input ! I'm not playing this month due to exams so planning to have a gd look at how I'm playing, so if theres even the smallest change i can make to my game (although there is obv a few big ones) it will keep me going until exams are done..

The hands i sent in were from April and when i browsed over them myself i did notice a big leak in 3 bet pots when calling 3 bets, which obv sucks, so i conciously made a note to tighten up and not try to get fancy at micro limits. but yeah defiently a big leak so i am looking to sort it out asap. How tight should i be flatting OOP in 3 bet pots?

i recently watched a vid on leggo which had alot of content on picking up limped pots more often and i will be looking into it more now since it could be higher if i wasn't lazy or on auto pilot. I'll definetly have a look at the other posts for advice in this area!
as with the c/r flop % i know it is low and this is mainly due to a bad habit of just calling down when villan is c-betting light. I'm also uncertain about what ranges to be doing so with... could u give a general outline of a standard range for c/raising for value ? or what ranges work well as semi bluffs? what type of boards i should c/r with air etc..

my range from UTG would be all PP's, Axs, AT+, most broadways but JT QT QJ KT less often(opening suited broadways 100 % and offsuit would be situational or how bad the players are), and 45s-78s probably 50 % of the time. I can tell from how long it took me to type it that it may be a bit wide! I then find myself c-betting too much when i see a flop UTG, or maybe i notice it more as they get called/raised more often, dunno if this has somethign to do with my c-bet % from UTG or just inability to give up pots when i should. Is there a way to find out how much i c-bet from certain position tht i open pre using HM? i always seem too find my self in the similar spots where i am sure i'm misplaying my hand, for example AK utg open CO flats, TJ4 rainbow i make a standard c-bet and get floated, another 4 on turn which would in general be a bad double barrel card but i barrel anyway bcoz i h8 the thought of c/f when i have decent uquity vs villians range, but then a c/c is pretty crap too as when river is blank and i check he can easily play perfectly against me.... Could i even c/c the flop or try to take a free card?
And also should my open UTG be 4x or just standard pot ? i have trouble deciding as range is tighter = get more money in but then again OOP= dont want a big pot.

Super confused, Sorry bout the mess of words above ^^, Dougie

[RedJoker]

You should be flatting very tightly OOP to 3bets; like AQ+, TT+, maybe AJs/KQs/99.

For c/r bluffing read the 5th post in this thread, which I linked to in my last post. For value it'll generally be two pair+ as a default. On very wet boards, like 875tt for example, you should probably be playing the weaker two pairs slowly, you're going to be in pretty bad shape against a continuing range.

If you've got a bit of c/ring history with a player then you might be able to get TP type hands in sometimes.

Yeah your UTG opening range isn't great. You definitely don't want to be opening ATo or any of the offsuit JT QT QJ KT. These hands have huge reverse implied odds when opened from UTG and almost no upside.

Suited broadways are fine although it's not too necessary to be playing things like KTs from UTG either. PPs, AXs, SCs are all fine.

If you go to the position report you can add the cbet flop stat and that will show you how much you cbet UTG. There's nothing wrong with having a wide cbetting range from this position because, not only will you have strong hands more often, your perceived range is stronger so you can bluff more.

Cbetting and then check folding the turn with AK on JT44 is fine, he's rarely folding anything he called the flop with, a lot of the time our outs will be tainted. Sometimes he won't bet the turn and we'll get a free card.

There's not much difference between 4x and pot, whatever you want to use as your standard is fine.

[Travisp33]

Red - 1st off your 3b video was awesome. Thanks so much for that.

So I was going along doing just fine @ 50nl and then the wheels fell off. I included my last 15k hands here, and a graph of my last 30k to show that at least @ some point I didnt suck @ interwebs poker. I will try to go compare the winning stats with what I am running @ now, but I really dont feel that I changed anything. Your help MUCH appreciated!!

I really hadn't looked at the positional stats, but maybe I should always check auto fold from the BB and quit worrying? lol