**Official μNL stats thread**

[Kesky]

The distinction between ranges to 3bet against regs and maniacs, respectively has been really helpful. Think I 'get it' now. I also think I might need to take a look at that video of yours one more time, maybe even take some notes.

Thanks, RJ.

[||||]

RJ, regarding 3betting against maniacs who aren't deep (~100bbs), should I decrease my air/nuts ratio to about 1:1 but increase my nuts range to AA-TT, AK, AQ (4.7% of hands)?

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by ||||

RJ, regarding 3betting against maniacs who aren't deep (~100bbs), should I decrease my air/nuts ratio to about 1:1 but increase my nuts range to AA-TT, AK, AQ (4.7% of hands)?

It's more like an isolation raise then anything else. I'm not as concerned about balancing my range because I don't see the need to against players who aren't going to exploit me. So I'll just 3bet all the hands you listed as well as broadways, SCs, suited aces, even mid PPs. Basically whatever I feel like 3betting.

However, there was a recent BobboFitos video (I think it was 2000nl) where he had immediate position on two weak players and his approach was to call with anything he could profitable coldcall but didn't want to get in, which was a huge range since the players were so weak and he wanted to play pots with them. And instead 3bet really weak hands like A6o, J5s, etc. which were below the profitable coldcalling range. So he got to play the absolute maximum number of hands against these players that he could. So he used the ratio approach and kept his range polarized.

There's also an old aejones video at 200nl where he has immediate position on a huge drooler and his approach was to just 3bet him close to 100% of the time just because it was so inherently +EV.

Now, obviously, they're both sick players who are going to play pretty perfectly postflop so they can take these extremely loose approaches. I certainly wouldn't recommend either approach to somebody who's not extremely comfortable playing postflop. Hell, I probably wouldn't even take those approaches myself.

So, I'm not positive which is the most theoretically correct approach to take, i.e. should we treat it as an isolation raise or stick with the ratio method. Either way is hugely +EV anyway so I think you can just pick your poison. I'll have to ask Bobbo why he feels that's the best approach next time it comes up.

[mkrump]

Thanks in advance. I've played on and off for a while but this is the first time I've played consistently ever day and obv not going so well.

One question i had about the micros is the call to 3bet stat. People love to min 3bet at the micros even though i don't think this means a particularly weak range (i feel like more often than not QQ+, AK) I feel like I call quite a bit here with small PPs bad idea?

[||||]

Originally Posted by RedJoker

It's more like an isolation raise then anything else. I'm not as concerned about balancing my range because I don't see the need to against players who aren't going to exploit me. So I'll just 3bet all the hands you listed as well as broadways, SCs, suited aces, even mid PPs. Basically whatever I feel like 3betting.

However, there was a recent BobboFitos video (I think it was 2000nl) where he had immediate position on two weak players and his approach was to call with anything he could profitable coldcall but didn't want to get in, which was a huge range since the players were so weak and he wanted to play pots with them. And instead 3bet really weak hands like A6o, J5s, etc. which were below the profitable coldcalling range. So he got to play the absolute maximum number of hands against these players that he could. So he used the ratio approach and kept his range polarized.

There's also an old aejones video at 200nl where he has immediate position on a huge drooler and his approach was to just 3bet him close to 100% of the time just because it was so inherently +EV.

Now, obviously, they're both sick players who are going to play pretty perfectly postflop so they can take these extremely loose approaches. I certainly wouldn't recommend either approach to somebody who's not extremely comfortable playing postflop. Hell, I probably wouldn't even take those approaches myself.

So, I'm not positive which is the most theoretically correct approach to take, i.e. should we treat it as an isolation raise or stick with the ratio method. Either way is hugely +EV anyway so I think you can just pick your poison. I'll have to ask Bobbo why he feels that's the best approach next time it comes up.

yea good comments. I think in poker in general we have to take all factors in account and then make a decision- and sometimes an opportunity is just too good to give up just because we need to stick to our "game plan".

also I think a big factor in considering the iso-3bet is how often they will defend their hand. I haven't seen the 200nl aejones vid, but I'm guessing aejones won't 3bet him that much if villain flats a significant (>30%?) number of his 3bets. And when villain knows your 3bet range is essentially your VPIP range, you can just play post flop as if there was an 8x ante.

[Kesky]

God, did I hit a downswing after posting my stats here.

Aces cracked by AK, J3, Q9, and J3 again.

Stats posters beware.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by mkrump

Thanks in advance. I've played on and off for a while but this is the first time I've played consistently ever day and obv not going so well.

One question i had about the micros is the call to 3bet stat. People love to min 3bet at the micros even though i don't think this means a particularly weak range (i feel like more often than not QQ+, AK) I feel like I call quite a bit here with small PPs bad idea?

Hey mkrump,

Yeah, if people are min 3betting you then it's fine to call with PPs, it's fine to call much wider than that, pretty much whatever you open can be called assuming you're playing 100bb deep. However, your call 3bet% is still on the high side so, unless a large proportion of 3bets you face are min raises, you may have a problem here. Perhaps post some hands where you were 3bet to a normal size with a marginal hand and decided to call, that's probably the best way to see if you have specific leaks.

Your preflop stats look good and you're positionally aware. Your MP opening range is pretty close to your UTG opening range, although the positions are similar you should still be able to open more hands from MP then you can from UTG. Your steal% is right on the margins of acceptable, you could probably think about loosening up a little more from LP.

Your 3betting stats look fine, you're 3betting more from LP then you are from the blinds which is very important.

So, overall preflop looks pretty solid.

However, postflop it looks like you're playing a very passive game. Your Agg% is very low. Your flop cbet% is extremely low.

Your WtSD is on the high end, which can point to calling down too much or not being aggressive enough. A lot of it's most likely caused by not being aggressive but your fold vs. flop cbet is also on the low end so that may point to calling too much as well. However, I'm not sure how wide your coldcalling range is so it may just mean that you have a stronger range when facing a cbet on average and that's what's causing it. So I'm not sure if you have a problem there or not.

Your W$WSF is low as well but a lot of that is caused by not being aggressive.

So you need to start cbetting a lot more as a bluff. Ace high boards and dry boards should be cbet a very high %, you should be looking for any excuse to fire a bet. Wetter boards can be played slower and shouldn't be bluffed as frequently.

Your Agg% from the blinds is extremely low so you need to pay more attention to picking up limped pots, I talk about them in post 16.

Your c/r flop % is also on the low side. I'm not sure how frequently you're coldcalling so this may not be a problem for you at the moment.

Originally Posted by ||||

yea good comments. I think in poker in general we have to take all factors in account and then make a decision- and sometimes an opportunity is just too good to give up just because we need to stick to our "game plan".

also I think a big factor in considering the iso-3bet is how often they will defend their hand. I haven't seen the 200nl aejones vid, but I'm guessing aejones won't 3bet him that much if villain flats a significant (>30%?) number of his 3bets. And when villain knows your 3bet range is essentially your VPIP range, you can just play post flop as if there was an 8x ante.

The aejones video is here. No, the guy was calling way over 30% of Aaron's 3bets. That was the exact reason he was 3betting him so much. The villain was playing an extremely weak range, OOP, without initiative against a player who was going to own his soul postflop. That's so massively -EV that there was no way he could ever profit long term.

The players you're taking this approach against probably haven't even heard of VPIP and certainly aren't thinking about optimal adjustments to make. They're just playing their cards and doing so poorly.

Here's the Bobbo videos I referred to: part 1 and part 2. I think I may have been wrong about the strategy he was employing. There was one hand where he called with KJs (which would indicate the ratio approach) but said that 3betting was perfectly fine as well. And it was actually A9o he 3bet instead of A6o, which probably would have been coldcallable. So I think his approach was actually similar to the one Aaron was taking and the one I recommended above.

Originally Posted by Kesky

God, did I hit a downswing after posting my stats here.

Aces cracked by AK, J3, Q9, and J3 again.

Stats posters beware.

Serves you right for questioning my advice obv .

[Kesky]

Originally Posted by RedJoker

Serves you right for questioning my advice obv .

I will cut you.

In all seriousness, you gave some excellent advice that I'm slowly starting to implement in to my game and hopefully it will soon become more 'natural' to me and I will become a better player for it.

Also, this thread should really be a sticky.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by Kesky

I will cut you.

In all seriousness, you gave some excellent advice that I'm slowly starting to implement in to my game and hopefully it will soon become more 'natural' to me and I will become a better player for it.

Also, this thread should really be a sticky.

Thanks Kesky.

There's a link to this thread in the main sticky so people will still be able to find it and I don't think it's been off the first page yet so there's not much need at the moment. I don't like forums that are clogged up with stickies anyway, we run a tight ship around here.

[TheDriver]

Thanks in advance for anyone who comments. First off, I am a new member here (just signed up this month for a 1 month subscription) and I plan on renewing for atleast the next 6 months. I love all that the site has to offer and I def feel like I am improving on a day to day basis. I do not post much as I am still gettting use to it, mostly just fire up a couple vids before I start a session. I have a dreadful job at a rest right now and work a shitload of hours but when I get home I usually play for about 4 hours, from like midnight to around 330 am and then get up at 9 for work ( I dont give a fuck if I am tired at work because my job blows but ATM I really love the pokerz!) The only good thing about my job is that my boss is willing to stake me for a prelim WSOP event, which is really cool imo. Anyway, didnt mean to go out on a rant, but thought I would give some history before i posted. I just moved up to 25nl and I KNOW i can beat it but I just have not been running to good and tilting as a result :P .....once again, thanks in advance for the criticism, I love learning new things and poker is def a game where I learn something new every day