**Official μNL stats thread**

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by TheDriver

Thanks in advance for anyone who comments. First off, I am a new member here (just signed up this month for a 1 month subscription) and I plan on renewing for atleast the next 6 months. I love all that the site has to offer and I def feel like I am improving on a day to day basis. I do not post much as I am still gettting use to it, mostly just fire up a couple vids before I start a session. I have a dreadful job at a rest right now and work a shitload of hours but when I get home I usually play for about 4 hours, from like midnight to around 330 am and then get up at 9 for work ( I dont give a fuck if I am tired at work because my job blows but ATM I really love the pokerz!) The only good thing about my job is that my boss is willing to stake me for a prelim WSOP event, which is really cool imo. Anyway, didnt mean to go out on a rant, but thought I would give some history before i posted. I just moved up to 25nl and I KNOW i can beat it but I just have not been running to good and tilting as a result :P .....once again, thanks in advance for the criticism, I love learning new things and poker is def a game where I learn something new every day

Hey TheDriver, welcome to LeggoPoker.

I'd be careful about playing too tired. I know for me, personally, I can't play well unless I'm refreshed and stress free. And the tiredness may be causing (or at least adding to) the tilt problems as well. I don't know if there's much you can do about that with work commitments though.

Your preflop stats look fine, although position stats would be helpful. However, you're stealing a reasonable amount so it looks like you're positionally aware. You're not coldcalling too much and your 3bet% looks fine.

However, your fold vs. 3bet% is low which tells me you may be calling 3bets too light. Most players won't be 3betting you as a bluff too frequently so there's no need to get paranoid about being played back at too much, they've most likely picked up a hand.

Postflop you're playing a much more passive game. Your Agg%s are low and both your flop and turn cbet%s are also low. You need to be finding more spots to pick up pots, most players are playing fit or fold so give them the chance to fold.

Your check raise flop% is very low, check out post 5 where I talk about randomization by equity.

I can't tell without position stats but, going on your low bet flop%, it also looks like you don't pick up limped pots enough. Read post 16 in this thread.

[TheDriver]

Originally Posted by RedJoker

Hey TheDriver, welcome to LeggoPoker.

I'd be careful about playing too tired. I know for me, personally, I can't play well unless I'm refreshed and stress free. And the tiredness may be causing (or at least adding to) the tilt problems as well. I don't know if there's much you can do about that with work commitments though.

Your preflop stats look fine, although position stats would be helpful. However, you're stealing a reasonable amount so it looks like you're positionally aware. You're not coldcalling too much and your 3bet% looks fine.

However, your fold vs. 3bet% is low which tells me you may be calling 3bets too light. Most players won't be 3betting you as a bluff too frequently so there's no need to get paranoid about being played back at too much, they've most likely picked up a hand.

Postflop you're playing a much more passive game. Your Agg%s are low and both your flop and turn cbet%s are also low. You need to be finding more spots to pick up pots, most players are playing fit or fold so give them the chance to fold.

Your check raise flop% is very low, check out post 5 where I talk about randomization by equity.

I can't tell without position stats but, going on your low bet flop%, it also looks like you don't pick up limped pots enough. Read post 16 in this thread.

Thanks for the commenta red, i rwad your post about randomization equity and it is something i will def try to mix in. When reading it i rem a hand from the other night that i will post when i get home, it was dead on with this concept. I think this concept can be very profitable at micros vs regs because you need to mix up your game more against them. Tbh, usually my game plan when i sit down is to play atc with any player i deem a a fish at the table, this is usually the green highlighted vpip players. I dont play back at regs unless i see them getting outa hand. This is the most profitable way to play imo. Now obv this will have to change as i move up. As for the agression numbers, i read through many of your analysis posts on others and this seems to be a common theme. When you said it to me a light immediatly came on because i def feel like i slow down on the flop way tooo much. I think i am leveling myself when i do this becaus i feel like i am very aggro pf and then pf im like "they are never going to give me credit. I am at work, fml, but i will get back to you with the pos stats tonight. Thanks again red, highly appreciated.

[BigCheesy]

Hey Red, this has been a very, very good read so far. I never utilized much of HEM's potential, just used the HUD mainly, cuz it's cooler than PT3. Anyways, I see many of the stats are useful and can show various leaks, so I decided to check where I stand.

This is my sample from 25nl, I just moved to 50nl and I'm working on increasing cbet% and 3bet%. I also have some problems with 3betting oop, most of the time I'm spewing money when BTN/CO calls and I'm in the blinds, so I try to keep it somewhat low. Not really sure what my range should be in general or compared to btn 3b range (polarized or including more semibluff hands like AJ/KJ/etc.
Also feel like I'm missing good +EV spots by shutting down completely when I get called on the flop, especially in 3bet pots.

Thanks in advance.

[Maximus13]

nice stats cheese thats a good win rate!

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by BigCheesy

Hey Red, this has been a very, very good read so far. I never utilized much of HEM's potential, just used the HUD mainly, cuz it's cooler than PT3. Anyways, I see many of the stats are useful and can show various leaks, so I decided to check where I stand.

This is my sample from 25nl, I just moved to 50nl and I'm working on increasing cbet% and 3bet%. I also have some problems with 3betting oop, most of the time I'm spewing money when BTN/CO calls and I'm in the blinds, so I try to keep it somewhat low. Not really sure what my range should be in general or compared to btn 3b range (polarized or including more semibluff hands like AJ/KJ/etc.
Also feel like I'm missing good +EV spots by shutting down completely when I get called on the flop, especially in 3bet pots.

Thanks in advance.

Hey BigCheesy,

Your VPIP and PFR look extremely solid from every position and you're stealing a huge amount which is fantastic.

I agree that increasing your cbet% and 3bet% would be a good step.

Your 3bet%s from the blinds are on the low side but I'd spend more time trying to bring your 3bet% up from the CO and BTN first. Against competent regs you pretty much always want to be polarized, against maniacs you add in more of the AJ/KJ range but it's not as a semi-bluff, it's clearly for value against those type of players.

Your c/r flop% is very low so have a read through post 5 on randomization by equity.

Your W$WSF and Agg%s are low from the blinds so try to pick up limped pots more often.

[drrobbieb]

I'm really bad, this is my stats for the past 6 months, this is after getting about 8 sessions with a coach at another training site. Before this I was about a break even player w/o rakeback after I have ended up losing almost my whole roll.

Help me please, or just tell me to quit.

[BigCheesy]

Originally Posted by RedJoker

Hey BigCheesy,

Your VPIP and PFR look extremely solid from every position and you're stealing a huge amount which is fantastic.

I agree that increasing your cbet% and 3bet% would be a good step.

Your 3bet%s from the blinds are on the low side but I'd spend more time trying to bring your 3bet% up from the CO and BTN first. Against competent regs you pretty much always want to be polarized, against maniacs you add in more of the AJ/KJ range but it's not as a semi-bluff, it's clearly for value against those type of players.

Your c/r flop% is very low so have a read through post 5 on randomization by equity.

Your W$WSF and Agg%s are low from the blinds so try to pick up limped pots more often.

Thanks a lot Red. I will focus on 3betting more from CO and BTN, seems I'm giving a bit too much respect when they're opening from EP/MP, and most of my BTN 3bets are against CO anyways.

Randomization by equity is a great post, I've been using it a lot in limped pots without knowing it as such . I will def use it more to improve my oop play, especially in single raised pots from LP.

Just one more Q, in general, should flop+turn cbet%/AF/Agg% in 3b pots be close to what they are in single raised pots?

Highly apreciate your help and the quickness of your response, thanks once again.


Maximus13, thanks for the comment buddy, there's always room for improvement.

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by drrobbieb

I'm really bad, this is my stats for the past 6 months, this is after getting about 8 sessions with a coach at another training site. Before this I was about a break even player w/o rakeback after I have ended up losing almost my whole roll.

Help me please, or just tell me to quit.

Hey drrobbieb,

No need to quit just yet, you've got some very easily fixable leaks.

Firstly you're open limping. It's never correct to open limp. Always raise or fold when entering a pot.

The next thing is that you're not changing your range based on position much. You really just need a decent starting hand chart to get you going in the right direction. I don't think any of the Leggo Pros have made up a starting hand chart, there's not a huge amount of focus on micros at Leggo unfortunately.

My recommendations would probably be too loose but here's one that sthief09 made which I saw somebody recommend. Basically use the "standard" opening range as your default. If table conditions are poor (short stackers, good regs with position on you, etc.) then take out the hands in the "bad" column from your opening range. If conditions are good (fish in the blinds, only nits left to act, etc.) add in the hands in the "good" column to your opening range. Of course, you're always raising these hands when you enter the pot, NO OPEN LIMPING.

Haha, only at Leggo would I be able to get away with linking to something from a competitor's site. That's just how ballin' out of control confident we are I guess.

You have some other leaks but I'd prefer if you straightened out your opening range first, postflop stats will depend on preflop so it makes it harder for me to get accurate information when you have an unusual preflop style. I also don't want to dilute the importance of getting the opening range right by telling you other, more minor, things to fix. A few years ago players could beat small and even mid stakes with just a solid preflop game. Print off the starting hand chart and follow it religiously for the next 10k hands. Post your stats again and I can check that you've got that down and we can look at other things to work on.

Also, the fact that you got in 218k hands in 6 months probably means you're playing a large number of tables. Cut back to 4 tables at most, there's absolutely no point mass multitabling when you're still developing your game. You'll just stunt your development and cost yourself future expectation. When you get up to mid and high stakes you can start to add more tables in to increase your immediate hourly if you want, until then the opportunity cost is too great imo.

Originally Posted by BigCheesy

Thanks a lot Red. I will focus on 3betting more from CO and BTN, seems I'm giving a bit too much respect when they're opening from EP/MP, and most of my BTN 3bets are against CO anyways.

Randomization by equity is a great post, I've been using it a lot in limped pots without knowing it as such . I will def use it more to improve my oop play, especially in single raised pots from LP.

Just one more Q, in general, should flop+turn cbet%/AF/Agg% in 3b pots be close to what they are in single raised pots?

Highly apreciate your help and the quickness of your response, thanks once again.


Maximus13, thanks for the comment buddy, there's always room for improvement.

Yeah, most of your 3bets will be against CO openers but, even though MP and UTG have tight opening ranges, their continuing ranges are even tighter so it's still profitable.

I'm not sure about those stats in 3bet pots, the problem is that you're not going to have anywhere near enough hands to get any degree of accuracy without your game changing in between.

[Donkadocus]

This thread is amazing.

I added called from sb to mine - this has to be a leak right?



Anyway - I seems to be break-even at the moment. Thoughts?

[RedJoker]

Originally Posted by Donkadocus

This thread is amazing.

I added called from sb to mine - this has to be a leak right?



Anyway - I seems to be break-even at the moment. Thoughts?

Hey Donkadocus,

Your VPIP/PFR look solid, you should probably try to widen your range a bit from the BTN and possibly tighten up your UTG range as well.

The called from small blind stat is probably fine since your VPIP/PFR from the small blind are well within acceptable boundaries.

Your 3betting stats look solid, highest otb which is very important.

However, you're c/ring from MP and the CO a lot and very infrequently from the blinds. This tells me you're probably check raising as the preflop raiser a decent amount, there's very little reason to have a flop (or turn) check raising range as the preflop raiser. You balance your entire range much better by just cbetting both for value and as a bluff.

Some people believe that they need to c/r to balance the times they're giving up and check folding or check calling. This is unnecessary, even if your range for checking the flop (or turn) consisted only of hands that are check calling or check folding, this might not be exploitable. The times that you check call "protect" the times you give up and the times you give up induce bluffs for the check calling range, so they can be balanced even without a check raising range.

And, even if we always check folded every time we checked, this might be less -EV then playing other hands suboptimally just so we could have an unexploitable checking range. There's almost no hands in my range that the best line will be to go for a c/r so there's no point in having a c/ring range as the PFR.

That's a pretty common balancing myth, there's a lot of these btw, players think they need to balance spots they don't have to or dismiss balancing because they have misguided notions of what it's actually about.

The second problem is that you're check raising very infrequently from the blinds which indicates that you're giving up very frequently as the caller. I don't know how wide you coldcall from the blinds so it may not be a massive leak for you but have a read through post 5 in this thread on randomization by equity.

You have a very high W$WSF and Agg%, I'm not sure if PT3 calculates Agg% differently, but you may be going overboard on the aggression. Luckily, it should be far easier for you to tone down your aggression a bit then it is for people who aren't naturally aggressive to become more aggressive.