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Old 04-21-2009, 02:59 PM
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Smile **Official μNL stats thread**

Many people use HoldemManager to track their results and analyze their games. They have a 15 day free trial if you want to test the software out and you can get $25 off if you click on the My Account link at the top of this page. Another popular program is PokerTracker3.

When posting your stats for analysis:
- MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HANDS. TRY NOT TO POST WITHOUT AT LEAST 10K HANDS IN THE SAMPLE
- Don't post stats in here just to brag you had a good weekend. Use the Bragging and BS'ing forum.
- Remember that we're looking at stats to plug leaks; you're not changing your game to make your stats "look better" or fit into a certain range, you're changing your game to play better and make more money. The stats will follow after that.

HoldemManager has a huge amount of stats and it can be a little overwhelming deciding what stats to look at and what stats to post. There are a number of stats I'd recommend including in your post.

Firstly go to the following page in HoldemManager:



If you press the green "+" button at the bottom, a new window will open and you can select which hands you'd like to include. By using the SHIFT and CTRL keys you can select multiple stats at the same time and then press "Save and Close" to include those stats.

The stats I'd recommend including in the "By Stakes" section are:

Net Amount Won
Big Bets per 100
VPIP
PFR
Steal Pct
3Bet%
ColdCall%
SB Fold to Steal
BB Fold to Steal
W$WSF
WTSD%
W$SD%
AF
Flop AF
Turn AF
River AF
Flop Cbet%
Turn Cbet%
River Cbet%
Check Raise Flop%
Fold to 3bet

If you click on the drop down menu where it says "By Stakes" you will be shown a list of possible reports, select "position" from the drop down menu and add the following stats:

Net Amount Won
Big Bets per 100
VPIP
PFR
Steal Pct
3Bet%
ColdCall%
WTSD%
W$SD%
W$WSF
AF
Agg%


After you've included the stats you can filter by going to Filter -> Edit which will bring up a new page. Under "# Players" select "More Than" and "2" to remove any Heads-Up hands from your sample as these can distort your stats.

You can also use the date filter to select the most recent hands. Make sure you keep a large sample size though, at least 10k hands.

After this hit the "refresh" button to see all your stats. You can now take screenshots and post them. To take a screenshot open up the relevant page in HoldemManager and maximize the window to cover your screen. Then press the "Print Screen" key:



Open up MSPaint or another image editing program and press CTRL+V or else right mouse click and select "paste". You should now be able to see the stats. On the left of MSPaint, towards the top, there's a dotted rectangle. Select it and then use your mouse to outline the information you want to post:



Right click and select "Copy To". Navigate to your desktop and give the file a name you'll remember. Make sure the file type is a JPEG as other file types are bigger and take longer to load up, select save.

At the top of this page select the "My Tools" option and choose "My Poker Images" from the drop down menu. On the new page select "Browse", navigate to your desktop and find the relevant file. Select it and then press the "Upload" button. You should see a green banner with "successful!" if it worked. If it doesn't try again and if it's still not working PM Tickner to let him know about the problem.

You should be able to see a thumbnail of your uploaded image and beside it will be two lines of code. The top one has the [ IMG] tags around it, copy this and paste it into your post. Repeat this process for any other images you want to upload and you're ready to post.
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:18 AM
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Huge props to RedJoker for this. A great opportunity to get help from someone who crushes.
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:17 AM
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best thread ever
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:05 AM
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here's my 25nl 6max ftp graph and stats, btw my total AF is 4.12 and this is PT3 sorry, but I think its interesting, My main flaw is tilt, also my 3bet % is 8.69. Important to note in PT3 AF is defined as (total times bet+total times raised)/(total times called) I think i read somewhere that HEM's measure is different and pt3's is higher something like that.

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Old 04-24-2009, 05:48 AM
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here's my 25nl 6max ftp graph and stats, btw my total AF is 4.12 and this is PT3 sorry, but I think its interesting, My main flaw is tilt, also my 3bet % is 8.69. Important to note in PT3 AF is defined as (total times bet+total times raised)/(total times called) I think i read somewhere that HEM's measure is different and pt3's is higher something like that.

Hey budsodian,

Definitely try to get those tilt issues under control, I'd recommend watching Student Caine's videos if you haven't watched them already.

I think that's how HEM calculate AF as well, although I think they have a different way of measuring coldcall% but I'm not positive. A CC% of 13% would be pretty wide in HEM but the gap between your VPIP and PFR doesn't suggest that yours is too wide. It looks fine tbh.

Overall these stats look pretty solid.

Your steal % of 32.6 is right on the margin of acceptable. I think you should be aiming for a steal % of at least 30%, preferably >35%, so yours is fine but you could think about loosening up a little more from LP.

You're cbetting and barrelling a huge amount. An 82.45 cbet% is pretty high, this is fine at micro stakes since players are playing very fit or fold and aren't going to be c/ring light so they're not going to exploit you for having a wide cbetting range. However, to be firing a turn barrel 61% of the time, especially with your high cbet%, is very high. Even though players at these stakes play fit or fold, if they have a piece there's a good chance they'll call you down, so I think you should probably tone down the barrelling for a while, at least until you move up a few levels.

It's fantastic that you're playing so aggressively though, a lot of micro stakes players default to playing a weak-tight and nitty style, it's far easier for you to tone down the aggression a little then it is for them to start barrelling and making plays.

Your c/r flop% is very low though, that's not really a problem or a leak at these stakes. But there's an important concept called "randomization by equity" you need to understand. aejones talks about it in some of his videos so watch those if you haven't already.

We can't bluff 100% of the time. If we keep c/ring, floating and donk betting as a bluff our opponents are going to get sick of us and they're going to adjust. They'll start 3betting us as a bluff, raising our donk bets, start checking back hands for pot control. And this is bad, we want them to be bet folding middle pair, we want them to cbet with too much air, so that we can try to exploit them.

If we can only bluff with a certain frequency then, naturally, we want to do it when we have the most equity against their calling range.

So we want to bluff when:

- we have o.k. equity or backdoor equity against a calling range.

So, for example on K62 A9 with a BDFD is a far better spot to bluff than with T9o.

We have an overcard which will sometimes be good and we can pick up a nut flush draw as well which will increase our equity. Whereas something like T9o doesn't have a whole lot of value when called.

And it's important to realize that we're more concerned with the range they play back with then their betting range in the first place. Something like 88 will have more equity than KQ with BDFD on a T72 board against their BETTING range but less equity against a CALLING range.

– we don't mind folding our hand if raised.

This applies to when we're donk betting and raising, typically if our hand is strong enough to bluff but not strong enough to get in (i.e. we'd have to raise fold it) we'll want to call (or float) instead. For example, 87 on 976. In this spot we have a lot of showdown value but our hand probably isn't good enough to get all-in so in these spots we want to avoid turning our hand into a bluff.

It's better to check raise bluff the more potential double (and triple) barrel cards. The most obvious good barrelling cards are ones which improve our equity, like completing a backdoor draw. So we can then semi-bluff the turn instead of pure bluffing. The advantages to this are obviously that, if called, we can sometimes suck out on the river with a disguised hand. And this also adds another randomization, we're not always following up on the turn but we will be sometimes.

On a board like KT7 there's not going to be a lot of great barrelling cards. A lot of cards will improve an opponent's one pair hand to pair + draw or two pair. However, on something like 952 there's going to be a load of overcards we can fire at, and there's not as many potential straight cards.

What I mean is, let's say we raised AJ with a BDFD on 952, if a 6 flush card falls on the turn, 98 and 97 only have gutshots instead of OESDs to go along with their pairs. It's also far less likely that they called with 87 in that spot then it would be on the first board where stronger draws are possible.

Don't completely ignore opponent tendencies or the situation though. If villain cbets a semi-connected board 4way, there's very little value in bluffing him. He's got a hand far too often.

If villain has tight preflop ranges or if villain is very passive then it's likely their range is much stronger when betting so bluffing makes much less sense.You still need to hand read and assign ranges.


That's all I can say from these stats, everything else looks fine. If you post a screenshot of your position stats then I might be able to spot some other things though.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:28 AM
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bub fellow aussie,where u from...
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:07 PM
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Ty for analysis, I think the stealing stat is flawed - As it accounts for sb steals aswell as cutoff, not only buttons; I don't really steal much from cutoff or sb.

I don't really take the check/raise flop line very much as I'm often playing with the initiative, if I'm oop I'm usually leading. I think my game is weak on the turn in a check raised pot as the hands I would often do it with are draws and I'm unsure whether to bet or check if i missed, so I rarely check raise.

I think at the micros u can get away with playing fewer hands as alot of the value is going to come from getting to showdown with the best hand, and exploiting opponents tendency to check fold alot of flops or calling to many. Here are my positional stats, Idk if this can reflect someones (my) true strategy, as the strategy you (I) use should be opponent specific >dynamic strategy Positional stats below sorry i didnt include 3bet% but I think my 3bet range is fairly constant across all positions.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:01 PM
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Ty for analysis, I think the stealing stat is flawed - As it accounts for sb steals aswell as cutoff, not only buttons; I don't really steal much from cutoff or sb.
No problem.

We can steal from the CO and SB too. Your BTN VPIP/PFR looks very solid. You could probably loosen up from the CO a little more if you wanted to, the BTN/CO positions are pretty similar, especially when there's a tight player otb.

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I don't really take the check/raise flop line very much as I'm often playing with the initiative, if I'm oop I'm usually leading. I think my game is weak on the turn in a check raised pot as the hands I would often do it with are draws and I'm unsure whether to bet or check if i missed, so I rarely check raise.
You're playing very tightly from the blinds, which is fine. Once you understand randomization by equity you should be capable of loosening up a little from there, although you don't have to. However, if you're not calling a wide range OOP then you probably shouldn't be set mining against anybody except the weakest of opponents. Your ranges are just far too obvious to anybody observant and PPs make terrible candidates to bluff with postflop. You need to have wide preflop calling ranges and postflop bluffing ranges to make set mining profitable.

Yeah, only having draws in your c/ring range will be a problem against competent opponents, you need to be doing it with made hands as well. And weaker draws like gutshots/overcards/backdoor draws.

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I think at the micros u can get away with playing fewer hands as alot of the value is going to come from getting to showdown with the best hand, and exploiting opponents tendency to check fold alot of flops or calling to many.
I agree, it's certainly profitable to play that strategy. However, it could be more profitable to play a better strategy. Obviously you should only be changing things you feel comfortable changing, and taking it step by step if you do decide to change something.

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Here are my positional stats, Idk if this can reflect someones (my) true strategy, as the strategy you (I) use should be opponent specific >dynamic strategy Positional stats below sorry i didnt include 3bet% but I think my 3bet range is fairly constant across all positions.
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Sure, your preflop strategy should be opponent specific to a certain extent but a lot of the time we'll just be in our default/standard mode and it's important that that's alright. I just wanted to make sure you weren't playing the same ranges from every position or other leaks like that.

Having a constant 3bet% across all positions is a problem though. You want to have a far higher 3bet% from late position and tighter 3bet ranges from the blinds. The BTN should be the highest and CO can be around the same level as the blinds, preferably a little higher though. Of course, if your opponents aren't punishing you for having a wide 3betting range OOP then it's not a problem.

The last thing is that you're down a fair bit from UTG. It's a small sample from there so no need to panic just yet but it's definitely something you need to keep an eye on. Interestingly, when I used to play about 11 - 12% of hands UTG I was losing as well, when I brought it up to about 17 - 18% I started making a profit. I've noticed the same thing with a lot of stats I see, tight UTG ranges are often losing and wide ones profit.

I'm not sure if that's due to postflop style of play or whether wide opening ranges are just more balanced and harder to read generating less reverse implied odds and more action on big hands like overpairs and sets. Just something to think about if you continue losing from that position.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:06 PM
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What hands are you adding to the utg range to make it more profitable? more broadways and suited connectors, the hands i feel worst about playing from utg are small pp's > I'm not really sure if it's better to limp or raise pre flop and post flop these hands turn into bluffs alot of the time. Could you give an example of a solid players positional stats.
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What hands are you adding to the utg range to make it more profitable? more broadways and suited connectors, the hands i feel worst about playing from utg are small pp's > I'm not really sure if it's better to limp or raise pre flop and post flop these hands turn into bluffs alot of the time. Could you give an example of a solid players positional stats.
A wide UTG opening range would be something like all PPs, KQ+, AJo+, A2s+ and SCs/suited two gappers. You don't really need to be opening that wide though, if you're not comfortable playing the weaker hands postflop then it's not a big deal if you decide to fold them instead.

PPs are generally going to be poor bluffing candidates postflop because, once called on the flop, are drawing very slim. It's fine to just check fold the flop sometimes if you don't think a cbet will work often enough, you don't have to follow up just because you raised pre.

Definitely don't start open limping them, it'll be impossible to balance.

I'm not sure what a solid players positional stats would be, both tight and loose players can be solid but they'll have different opening ranges. Just as long as the amount of hands you play steadily increases as you approach the button and you're not playing overly loose from EP or overly tight from LP then it's fine, everything else is mostly preference.
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