Raj doesn't like Grog

[Rajmaster]

wow this is a slap in the face for anyone who pays a subscription..

Every think you said in the parts i watched, i disagree with.

im not going to waste my time explaining which are those parts because well.. You're resulsts are pretty terrible for someone who 4 tables (now that you have a REAL sample size.. things are evening out)

You're clearly very articulate, which is prob what got you the job.. now its time to stop coaching and get a coach.


It really annoys me when i see you and thac being pros for this site, raking the big bux and the easy coaching students.. when you both no longer beat the game, or beat them for such a small winrate.. when some of us who have beaten the game for 4ptbb+ for years could definitely never get any students because we're not best buds with owners of training sites.

Although, i think thac's videos are pretty decent for micro'ers since his play still wins a lot there and a little at SSNL.. yours definitely doesnt help micro'ers.. and the only help it brings to SSNL'rs is making laggy spewy regs even worse(which is the only positive that ever came out of your videos)

sorry for the negativity leggo, but this is a really terrible video... even worse thant he last ones..

edit: forget what i said about thac.. i was just pissed. He did work very hard on the micro forums for years... he's a good rep and good help for micro'ers. Sorry

[McBarrel]

Originally Posted by Rajmaster

wow this is a slap in the face for anyone who pays a subscription..

Every think you said in the parts i watched, i disagree with.

im not going to waste my time explaining which are those parts because well.. You're resulsts are pretty terrible for someone who 4 tables (now that you have a REAL sample size.. things are evening out)

You're clearly very articulate, which is prob what got you the job.. now its time to stop coaching and get a coach.


It really annoys me when i see you and thac being pros for this site, raking the big bux and the easy coaching students.. when you both no longer beat the game, or beat them for such a small winrate.. when some of us who have beaten the game for 4ptbb+ for years could definitely never get any students because we're not best buds with owners of training sites.

Although, i think thac's videos are pretty decent for micro'ers since his play still wins a lot there and a little at SSNL.. yours definitely doesnt help micro'ers.. and the only help it brings to SSNL'rs is making laggy spewy regs even worse(which is the only positive that ever came out of your videos)

sorry for the negativity leggo, but this is a really terrible video... even worse thant he last ones..

edit: forget what i said about thac.. i was just pissed. He did work very hard on the micro forums for years... he's a good rep and good help for micro'ers. Sorry

lol, come on wtf

[lingdog1985]

pretty sure Grog beats 400NL at 4ptbb over large sample size Raj

[JimmyRare]

Simple solution would be do have an up-to-date graph on every coach profile of at least 150k hands. This way we won't have these discussions, and I don't see any arguments/reasons not to have this.

[pokersavant2009]

Originally Posted by lingdog1985

pretty sure Grog beats 400NL at 4ptbb over large sample size Raj

http://www.pokertableratings.com/ful...h/grogheadflow

I know PTR isn't the end all, be all, but......

(absolute does look much better though)

Either way, I'm a Grogheadflow fan, so I'll definitely be checking out his videos

[lingdog1985]

ye he crushes on AP and his sample size there is way bigger too. and he has a UB account just as impressive.

[McBarrel]

WTF man, why are you talking about 'a real sample size', while 'proving' something with a sample of 80k hands. If you dont agree with something said in the video, talk about WHY, give your reasons.

Here is another 600k hands of him :


Impressive? Its 8 times the sample of the FullTilt PTR graph. So maybe we could talk about variance (and what you dont understand about it) instead of instantly thinking that somebody is bad because he lost some money.

PS If someone (grog) doesnt like that im showing his PTR graph here, please delete my post

[Rajmaster]

if you combine FTP and absolute hes under 3ptbb for a 4 tabler.. not 12 tabler.

4 tabling is like.. 200 hands an hour..

he definitely can win at poker, but hes far from being above average.. the only thing he does is make up excuses for his plays with logic that is flawed but looks good on paper.

and no i haven't had a losing day today. ive had 20 in the whole year and i play a lot of tables.. pisses me off when people who are barely decent get coaching jobs and i have to see their videos on the front page of a site that i pay money to subscribe to.

but yeah, at least you'Re not a losing player like nxtworldchamp on cardrunners or socalquest on bluefire (or all the deucescracked ssnl coaches)

[lingdog1985]

Originally Posted by grogheadflow

I hate to break this to you, but I don't coach for $. I help a ton of people out for nothing through PMs and skype/ aim etc though as a fair few would vouch for.

Ye i sent grog a lot of hands over the last few months and he replied with super long and detailed notes evry single time. And about a month ago, i contacted grog to try and get a lesson and he just did it for free.

And Raj, if u dont like his vids dont watch it!! lots of other ppl on here likes grog's vids, we paid for subscriptions too, let us enjoy them.

[Rajmaster]

if a famous comedian made poker videos, id def like them.. but they'd make me worse.

Some of the best rated videos on cardrunners are made by losing players, and are full of mistakes.. but the coach is loved by everyone.

Poker is a game of money, reputation and friendship should be worth shit, its about the knowledge, winrate and money.