Basic: Cbetting paired flop after light 3bet?

[minSim]

I came into this spot a few times today and never really paid attention that I'm not 100% confident how to handle the situation.

It's a very basic one; we're 3betting a BTN/CO from the blinds, get called, we miss the paired flop and it's up to us....
(we don't have a clear read that villain always calls with SC's or always with PP's and nothing else or anything)

1. What are your considerations whether to bet or not?
2. Is your hand actually of any importance (assuming we don't have a 6+ draw or something)?

It seems that from one side we should bet more often against lighter callers because their range is just weaker, but from the other side those are usually the types that are floating the non A/K/Q flops.....or that just seems to be.

Here are 2 examples of todays session:

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HAND #1
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Villain is playing 19/10/4.0 over 118 hands, with an ATS of 28 and has only been 3bet 1x in all those hands and called that one.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $39.60
CO: $29.95
BTN: $54.95
Hero (SB): $81.15
BB: $56.95

Pre-Flop: A 2 dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, BB folds, BTN calls $5

Flop: ($14.50) J 5 J (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10.50, Hero folds


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HAND #2
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Villain plays 28/19/6.0 over 36 hands, has been 3bet only 1x as well and called that.
(note that we're 4handed so villain is actually CO)

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $120.90
Hero (BB): $49.25
UTG: $42.60
BTN: $75.85

Pre-Flop: K Q dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.25) J 3 J (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $10, Hero folds

[benve79]

3betting those hands and c/folding such flops its pretty bad imo.

preflop i would fold the first hand and mostly flat the second one.

but, once you 3bet, you must cbet or check-raise allin those flops. its very unlikely villain has smthing and if you check they will bluff at it a lot, since its pretty unlikely that you have QQ-AA if you check, so theyll try to push you off your perceived range of 'scared overcards'. your purpose on such flops is to push them out of underpairs imo, and if this requires a double barrel shove you should do it. ok, double barrelling requires a bit of a read that they will fold, but the CRAI should work a lot (if you dont take this line too often) since they wont bet medium pocket pairs once you check, so their range is mostly air i think.

[platty]

both 3bets are pretty bad pf to begin with and it's nl50, AND you are oop - that's crazy

[clc86]

Originally Posted by platty

both 3bets are pretty bad pf to begin with and it's nl50, AND you are oop - that's crazy

what does 50nl have to do with anything?

I agree with the post above the last one.

[oly3455]

I think nl50 refers to having less fold equity preflop, but I agree that 3bet, c/f is about as big a leak as you can have if you do so frequently.

[saddu]

Originally Posted by oly3455

I think nl50 refers to having less fold equity preflop, but I agree that 3bet, c/f is about as big a leak as you can have if you do so frequently.

i really think at 50nl u have MORE fold equity preflop usually, at least for what i see in my games (50nl)m and what i see in the 200-400nl videos. so many players at 50nl simply avoid 3-bet pot becouse they don't know how to play that with marginal hands. i can be wrong though!

[hanoile]

totally depends... at NL50 the "huge donk" ratio is way higher, dont need to tell, that 3betting is only 4 value against those...
the standard tagish reg is usually playing very straight forward tho.
therefor id cbet those kind of flops like 99% because most play fit or fold style and wont float u too often

[Probability]

Hand 1. 3 betting a 19/10 with A2s oop is no good. Just avoid this situation.

Hand 2. You only have 36 hands on a UTG raiser who is playing 28/19 and you 3 bet QKo oop. Avoid this spot, there no need to ever do this to yourself.

[alexgotay]

Agree with what everyone have said, about 3bets with those hands in those spots.

UTG range for calling includes a bunch of pairs, so check/folding there is probably best with no reads. On the btn I usually cb, but I'm prepared to 2barrell.

[etown]

i agree with prob your 3 betting to light against a utg oopen and tight late pos. raise
theres on value in getting in these spots at 50nl when you can play just call and take flops