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koboosh · #1 (**permalink**) 06-29-2012, 02:13 AM

With crazy dynamic is there any way to work out your value range mathematically without feel?

E.g. A reg has check/raised me something like 9 times within short succession of which 3 I min 3bet on the flop and he folded. I also called one down bluff jammed a river once. Then we are 150bb deep and I have AA on Q85 no fd. He check/raises again - do I min 3B and try to get it in ? It would be horrible if his value range is still sets and two pair+.

This also relates to whether you'd prefer to stack off with bottom set or nut flush draw on a wet board deep vs a certain opponent given a dynamic.

Probability · #2 (**permalink**) 06-29-2012, 11:35 PM

AA is squarely within your value range here. I'm not sure how to do it by math but vs described villain I would call flop and raise turns that connect the board further or flat turns that are total blanks. if he checks turn you have an easy vb.

guitarizt · #3 (**permalink**) 07-03-2012, 11:57 PM

GTO doesn't rely on any specific villain's range here. I wouldn't use GTO against someone playing this maniacally. I think you're thinking about this all wrong. Villain is crazy with c/r's. He could have AA beat on Q85r, but his air range is gigantic. You also beat a ton of his hands he probably plays like this for value.

TheStudent · #4 (**permalink**) 07-04-2012, 04:45 AM

Disagree with you here guitarizt.

GTO is good to find out the ''std'' play with ur ranges if you have no idea what to do. When you know more about villains tendencies, you deviate from there and for example delete some bluffcombos and add some valuecombos or vise versa..

guitarizt · #5 (**permalink**) 07-04-2012, 04:56 PM

I have a pretty good idea of what to do against someone c/r'ing 9x in a short amount of time.

koboosh · #6 (**permalink**) 07-05-2012, 04:52 AM

I was confused because this villain is not a maniac (he plays much higher). He was making adjustments based on dynamics etc. I don't think he's just spaz barelling me off with air for no reason and I don't know if he considers AQ a shove on river etc, that's why I referred to game theory. I don't even know if he's added value hands to his flop x/r range apart from two pair+.