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Old 05-13-2008, 10:41 AM
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Default Playing 4bet pots

Yesterday I was playing someone HU who kept calling my 4bet OOP with all sorts of hands. This player played pretty strange in my opinion because when I raised to 6 he alawys made it 27 (when he 3bets) and when I open to 4 he would make it 20.

Because he was doing this with pretty high frequency I started 4betting him alot. And I think he called almost every single one of my 4bets.

Hands that have gone to showdown/he showed in 4bet pots: 44, Q3o, Q9s, 89o, etc
He did 5bet shove me once so I figured he actually had a hand there...

If he flopt a pair he would C/Shove the flop most of the time, however he also C/Shoved the Q3o on a 449r board. He also folded over 50% of the time to my Cbet (which was a little more than half pot)...

So vs a opponent who calls almost all your 4bets oop.. what hands are you 4betting? I really didn't know what I wanted to do with hands like 77 or KQ/KJ, AJs/ATs.

And how would you play postflop if you, flop a pair, flop no pair, flop a draw.

If you know he's calling all your 4bets, would you make them larger or smaller?


Lots of questions about this because I'll probably be playing this person a lot more because he thinks I'm a donk because I minraise every single btn (mostly because he also raises to 27 often when I make it only 4 preflop, so that has to be so exploitable).

And what hands would you be calling his 3bet with?
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:48 PM
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Tighten up your raising range.

Do not polarize your 4 bet range, at the same time 4 bet lite and showdown any tp hand and even less tbh
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:52 PM
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So start limping buttons or folding buttons?
And if he calls all 4bets OOP with any cards he 3bets (he 3bets around 25% of the hands) wouldn't it be better to just 4bet every decent hand?

Are there any hands you call his 3bet with instead of 4betting?
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:55 PM
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Limping buttons would be hot, or minraising. I assume you watched the AlusivPnkBny HU video.

Yes 4 bet a lot imo.

I would call 3 bets with weak made hands like 77.
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:57 PM
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Hmm I was minraising alot already.. and when I minraised to 4 he still made it 27 which was even sweeter (after about 30-45 mins he changed this to 20 btw).

But with 77 you don't have the IO's for setvalue and if he's calling all 4bets anyway wouldn't it be better to just 4bet it? (also he 5betshoved his AA/AK instead of calling OOP)
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:00 PM
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I think flatting with 77 is good since he will fire c bets on a ton of flops with his unpaired Q3. If you get a decent flop, just roll with it imo. Better than flipping all day
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ok, I call with 77, flop comes J62r, He Cbets, would you flat? would you raise?
What do you do on Axx boards or Kxx boards? What would you do on a T93ss board?

Sorry to go into so many things but because I will have a rematch with him I would like to get a bigger edge/preperation when I face him
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Old 05-14-2008, 07:04 PM
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I would mr and call it off when he monkeys it in.
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dont 4-bet too much. call lots of 3bets to control pot size with position
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:20 AM
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against this type of player i would not minraise, i'd limp or 3x and adjust your ranges for each as you feel necessary, based on how he reacts/readjusts.
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