question on LAG style.

[saddu]

yea if you say that for lag you mean an etremly good players with a 8bb/100 and is breakeven in nonshowdown spots you are right, i'm a lagtard. with lag i just mean a loose and aggro player, i'm learning and that obvius that any lag at 50nl game is a LAGtard for a 2knl.. that obvious, but anyway, i got the answers in this thread and i'm playng a little better and tighter now!! thx to all!!

[Skuzzy]

I spent way to long searching for the magic bullet that would get my 'w$wsd' into the positive winning numbers. I started pre-flop with 3 betting frequency, squeezing and re-squeezing and 4 betting, moved on to cbetting ranges and board textures, worked on 2barrelling and 3 barrelling, tried more thin value bets on the river. I got looser and more aggro but I never saw real improvement in my w$wsd numbers.

My mistake, at least in part, turned out to be I was focused on trying to win more pots when really I should have been focused on losing less. I was looking for 'moves' when I should have been folding more. Getting out early when the board doesn't lend itself to a bluff or a cbet saves you bets and hence increases your bb/100 in w$wsd pots... Blindly cbetting, 2nd barrelling, making 'moves' just eats away at your w$wsd rate.



Anyway - my 1st ever post here so feel free to ignore it.

[clowntable]

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

actually, it should be the opposite - win in non showdown pots, lose in showdown pots

That's what I'd have thought, simply because on average your hands in showdown pots will be weaker.
OTOH you pick up more small pots/blinds etc which are not shown down.

[Skuzzy]

Originally Posted by BobboFitos

actually, it should be the opposite - win in non showdown pots, lose in showdown pots

Why 'should' it be that way? Losing in showdown pots seems a bit extreme.

I'd be OK with you saying you should win more in non-showdown pots than in showdown pots.

[RedJoker]

W$WSF

[BobboFitos]

Originally Posted by Skuzzy

Why 'should' it be that way? Losing in showdown pots seems a bit extreme.

I'd be OK with you saying you should win more in non-showdown pots than in showdown pots.

Well, I lose more than I win in showdown pots. There is no "should". However, if you want to win money, it has to come from either showdown pots, non showdown pots, or both.

[cartmancop]

what are your stats saddu?
by the way, where can I see my non showdown winnings?

[saddu]

Originally Posted by cartmancop

what are your stats saddu?
by the way, where can I see my non showdown winnings?

i'm more nit now, im plang 22/19 something like that, when i made the post i played around 30/27. i turned more nit probably becouse on stars people play back sooo rarely and the game was more passive than tilt where i play now and couse i play more tables. u can find tht easily with holdem manager, look in the graph and u have it. with pt3 is nearly the same i think, and if u haven't any of both just use poker-ev

[Ikavalko]

Btw what is considered LAG and what is considered TAG?

I like to see myself as somewhere inbetween, I play a 25/20 3.5-4af.
I have a positive winrate in showdown winnings and non showdownswinnings,
And ofc just randomly firing into people is never a key into good poker, wether u play TAG or LAG..

[AAAAARRRGGH]

I play about 32/26 (lower if aggro 3bettors or shorties behind me, but then I just leave) at 400NL and I make a tiny/negligible profit in non-showdown, and all my proper winnings come from showdown. I'm surprised that I'm 'supposed' to be winning my money in non sd pots from what I read here, since it feels to me that what I am doing is setting myself up to be paid off in the big ones. Maybe when (if!) I move up and play better players I won't be able to manipulate them into paying me off and things will reverse... or I'll just lose.