Clayton 400PLO - June 21

[clayton]

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I BYET THE POT

[IcarusJam]

I'm trying to think of something to say, or some hand to comment on, but i like it alot, and again learned new things.

V excite for your cap plo vid, cuz cap is one game, i'm wtf lost at.

[cntgetmedown]

Pretty solid video. I feel that some of your preflop folds were reasonably tight, especially from the CO. Obviously there is nothing wrong with playing tight at these stakes, I was just surprised, because I feel like such a PLO nit myself.

[As armas]

Good vid. Could you elaborate on a couple things:

-early on you reraise from the sb with AAxx single suited. Is this +ev if your opponents (and correctly so) put you on AA, have position, and you are much more in the dark concerning if they hit the flop. Its not so much of a big deal when most of the money is already in, however in that hand (they both folded pre) it looked like if you made a c-bet on a not too great board and got moved in on, you're in a bad spot. You're prob beat, but the odds you're getting laid might make it mathematically correct to go with the hand. I've now started only reraising with premium aces (AsAh9h6c not good enough), and also premium rundowns, so now i can rep big on Axx flops to balance out, etc. The weaker aces just call, if you hit the A let him rep it. I'm also really not sure how much of your stack you need to get in with AAxx so you can just jam any flop and not lose in the long run. I've been going with at most a pot sized bet left, what do you think?

- You mensioned you play tight preflop. I def consider myselt tight (at 6 max 22/14/3 overall aggro factor at the 0.5/1 6 max games). Are your numbers this nitty or am I taking it too far.

- in general playing oop. If one plays tight oop, in general is it more +ev to just lead out strong when we flop a good draw? That way we avoid c/calling, hitting our flush, now what? We lead, our hand turns pretty face up. Then if we miss we can keep barreling and really apply pressure that most of villain's range can't stand.

- great thought process checking on the flop on the jj9 boat. I usually just autoc-bet cause "I bet this when I miss, gotta also do it when I flop huge". On the turn I think moving in is better. If he is making a play, its prob with some "outs" in his mind to a straight or flush. If he misses them all he might give up, but feel committed to calling if you move in. You think he empties out on a brick river?

Anyway great job!

[clayton]

i'm a big proponent of *teaching* a tight style, as playing loose involves more decisions and by default more decisions to a newer, less-experienced player will often lead to dents in winrate. this isn't always the case, but I preach it as a generality with a nittish style thats somewhere around 23/19 (i know friends who play 40/25).

the style itself loses money before showdown (the opposite of my NL style), but so often I'm getting the money in way good in allin situations such that even if I'm losing 5k before showdown in a sample, I'm up 20k in sklansky dollars in allin situations. it'll be a style that leads to lots of variance, of course, but that's PLO

1) the reraise preflop with the aces and a nut suit with a couple connectors was made largely because of the shortstack. if both players are fullstacked and unknown I probably reraise around 50% of the time, since on a raise to 14 and a call I can reraise and get the potsize to around 120 or 180 dependent upon how many callers I get, and on numerous flop textures I'll be happy to get the money in.

that said, with the shortie present i'm gonna be reraising just about every time, since I feel more often than not it's gonna cut down the percentage of the time the larger stacked player will get involved (he will be in position with a suboptimal hand and a dry sidepot) and I'll usually get allin HU with the shortstack and a 60% minimum equity advantage. ship the 10% investment!

- your numbers arent nitty, if your style makes money then it's nobody's business to criticize. that said, i wouldnt fault you for at least wanting to learn a looser style; my PLO style is nitty and it's my bread and butter

- define a "good draw", because if it isn't a nut-draw (eg nut flush) then OOP it's basically garbage. I think OOP I definitely dont mind just betting out into the PFR, but a lot of it is dependent upon your opposition. if its a player who shows a similar nittyness postflop (eg abilitiy to fold sets when the board gets worse), then mixing it up with your flop lines is a good thing, since flop calls arent super +EV when u arent getting paid. however if you are playing with a drooler station who screams "WTF THIS SUCKS I HAVE A SET... ARGH.... CALL" then it may be fine to incorporate more check-calling.

- somehow i felt air was a more likely part of his range than a draw because of the sizing (i thought random draw would just raise pot instead of that weird amount). but yeah, i suppose in a vacuum just putting him in on the turn is probably better. im not sure if he empties out on a brick river (prolly not), which is a big reason why a turnshove is best. prob my biggest misplay of the sesh, but I still stacked him =) I run good

[fieldsy34]

I really enjoyed the video, nice job!

[CWil81]

Great Vid - eagerly awaiting the next one

[ladymuck]

Very nice hand around 36m mark when you get villain to donk off his stack when you flopped the nuts.